A consensus of price tags for all the FA's

[caulfield12]

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/writer/jon-he...t-they-will-get

 

 

With all the debates we've been having about how much "such and such" will receive on the FA market, I thought this would be helpful.

 

A couple of early observations:

 

Shields and Tomas are going to end up with more money than earlier imagined.

 

Martin's probably too expensive for the Sox at his age if he's asking for $75 million.

 

Victor Martinez is probably out of play.

 

If we do want a mid-tier pitcher (Santana, Liriano, Volquez, McCarthy, Peavy, Hammel, Vogelsong, Masterson, Brett Anderson, Brandon Morrow, etc.) we have a much better idea about the potential price tags, which are in the $9-13 million dollar range.

 

Colby Rasmus in particularly is receiving a wide range of opinions about his value. We saw another article recently that priced him at 3 years/$36 million. JD Drew II or the wisest investment of the offseason?

 

Markakis without the qualifying offer becomes more attractive, but he's not a "cornerstone" bat you can build around...see the comps with Aoki, who's expected to receive close to $7 million.

 

(Is anyone else having a hard time finding Billy Butler and Justin Masterson?)

 

 

 

I would go for Volquez, Morse (primary DH), Rasmus and trade Viciedo + B/C prospect for Saunders.

 

If you want to add Romo or two very solid set-up guys, you cut out either Rasmus or Morse from the equation. (You'd want to add another veteran LH set-up guy if you were making all these moves).

 

Realistically, Volquez, Rasmus, Michael Saunders, Romo and the LH set-up guy can be done for roughly $35-40 million.

 

Morse would be GREAT (probably too much of a luxury) to have, since that would give you Saunders/Rasmus/Eaton/Garcia for the outfield, but three fairly limited guys in Garcia/Abreu/Morse might be one too many.

 

 

http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/eye-on-baseba...ent-predictions

Scherzer to the Dodgers, Lester and Russell Martin to the Cubs and Hanley Ramirez to the Tigers. Sandoval back to SF. Shields to the Red Sox. Interesting. Nelson Cruz to Mariners.

Edited November 11, 2014 by caulfield12

[ChiliIrishHammock24]

Dodgers dump Kemp in order to sign Scherzer. I could see that.

[caulfield12]

Let's equate Nelson Cruz at age 34 with Matt Kemp at 29.

 

They're basically saying that Cruz will get $17.1 million per year for 3 years, for a total of $51.3 million.

 

Kemp's going to get $64 million over those same 3 years, for an average of $21.3 million over the same time period.

 

If you viewed Nelson Cruz, despite being five years older and the PED's bust background...as being roughly the same player, then the Dodgers would need to send an additional $12.7 million for the "fair market" value of Kemp as of today.

 

For the full five years (which would be getting Kemp to the same age, 34, as Cruz is now, and notwithstanding how much better Kemp was than Cruz the 2nd half), you're looking at the roughly $20-25, maybe $30 million going to another team without a major prospect being traded to LA.

 

That would make Kemp's pricetag essentially $82 million for 5 years, or less than Pablo Sandoval at the same age and with his numerous potential health/weight issues (and Kemp has baggage of his own).

 

HECK, a 35 year old Michael Cuddyer, a player without a position who hasn't been able to stay healthy, is now being valued at $10.5 million per season in addition to surrendering the #15 pick in the first round of the draft.

 

I think the White Sox SHOULD be interested in Matt Kemp in that range ($16.4 million per year) compared to Victor Martinez, Sandoval, Hanley Ramirez, etc.

 

The Dodgers could then use that $82-85 million in savings to make their rotation:

 

Kershaw

Scherzer

Greinke

Ryu

Dan Haren

Edited November 11, 2014 by caulfield12

[LDF]

 

you are using too much logic with this. the cost is going to be what

the 2 teams will agree. if I was receiving Kenp, Crawford I want the

dodgers to eat more salary, to entice me to do the deal.

[caulfield12]

you are using too much logic with this. the cost is going to be what

the 2 teams will agree. if I was receiving Kenp, Crawford I want the

dodgers to eat more salary, to entice me to do the deal.

 

 

Given what aging vets like Martinez, Cruz, Martin and Sandoval are asking for, Kemp's sticker price with a subsidy is becoming more and more attractive by the moment.

 

The more money the Dodgers eat, the more competition the White Sox face from other teams in terms of the talent they're willing to surrender.

 

The huge advantage the White Sox have RIGHT NOW is the financial flexibility that only a handful of teams have outside of the 3 major markets to assume the Matt Kemp contract.

[LDF]

Given what aging vets like Martinez, Cruz, Martin and Sandoval are asking for, Kemp's sticker price with a subsidy is becoming more and more attractive by the moment.

 

The more money the Dodgers eat, the more competition the White Sox face from other teams in terms of the talent they're willing to surrender.

 

The huge advantage the White Sox have RIGHT NOW is the financial flexibility that only a handful of teams have outside of the 3 major markets to assume the Matt Kemp contract.

 

exactly.... they want to play ball, entice Hahn to that that contract.

[shysocks]

Interesting that the GM went with a one year deal for Headley. Makes me think that this GM might be stupid.

[LDF]

 

if half of the rumors goes down that involve the sox. the sox will have improve

greatly. I don't care what anyone will counter with my next statement. but ....

 

kind you imagine the side affects of the above statement will have???

 

~ all the team who will expected to make a run for the AL playoff will have to

improve their team as well

 

~ the AL Central will really have to spin what they have to make improvement

to their team

 

~ the fan base of the sox will go crazy

 

~ mlb baseball will really start to showcase the team

 

~ the NL while not in the same situation will have to take notice

 

~ LASTLY the north siders will really need to make a splash so they will

not loose to the sox anything from fans, advertising, popularity, etc.....

 

[Balta1701]

~ the fan base of the sox will go crazy

 

~ mlb baseball will really start to showcase the team

 

~ the NL while not in the same situation will have to take notice

 

~ LASTLY the north siders will really need to make a splash so they will

not loose to the sox anything from fans, advertising, popularity, etc.....

I disagree with all of the above. The fans of the white sox barely care if at all about free agent moves. They don't appear until you have a team that performs on the field.

[LDF]

I disagree with all of the above. The fans of the white sox barely care if at all about free agent moves. They don't appear until you have a team that performs on the field.

 

you are correct, but again you need to put that product in the field, to acquire it. at

this time it needs to be done thru free agency.

 

the above list will be the trickle down situation if such moves were made by the

sox.

[thxfrthmmrs]

Revisiting this. Sox paid expected value for LaRoche and slightly underpaid for Robertson. Not bad.

[LDF]

I disagree with all of the above. The fans of the white sox barely care if at all about free agent moves. They don't appear until you have a team that performs on the field.

 

oops i am sorry i miss this response.

 

my thought is always the same, acquiring FA's, filling holes and competing will by default

put a team that performs.

 

this is kind of hind sight now.

 

 

[LDF]

Revisiting this. Sox paid expected value for LaRoche and slightly underpaid for Robertson. Not bad.

 

ummm underpay, i will not say anything negative but i do like everyone positive

opinions. i guess i need to warm up to the idea. either way, my opinion doesn't

really matter, the team getting pieces is.