It is nice having a good leadoff guy who can also play a pretty good centerfield. The Sox haven't had a guy like that in a long time. I'd like to see him get better at base stealing so that when he gets on base he can at least be a concern for pitchers. If he can terrorize the pitchers by simply being a threat, it improves the odds that your #2 and #3 hitters will see better pitches (or more bad pitches that lead to walks). Also, I imagine his power numbers will (should) decrease next season. As a leadoff hitter, the Sox need him on base. A few less HRs could translate to a few extra points in his BA.

You guys remember when Hector Santiago was an allstar this year and a bunch of people said that was an awful trade for Hahn. Lol @ those people.

 

Those were people who only just got it straight that Eaton wasn't traded for Addison Reed.

Definitely easy to do when LaDunn isn't playing clogging up the DH spot.

 

 

I think LaDunn may be offensive to Dunn. At least he hit homers. He had an awful 1st year with Sox but he made an All Star team in his 2nd season.

I think LaDunn may be offensive to Dunn. At least he hit homers. He had an awful 1st year with Sox but he made an All Star team in his 2nd season.

 

That is true. I've honestly thought a few times this season "I'd rather have Dunn at this point." He'd have at least 20 homers with a .220 avg.

You guys remember when Hector Santiago was an allstar this year and a bunch of people said that was an awful trade for Hahn. Lol @ those people.

 

Let's just be happy we didn't get the worst part of the deal (Trumbo).

Eaton is 17th in the MLB this year in baserunning value according to Fangraphs. There's more to it than just stealing bases.

Eaton is 17th in the MLB this year in baserunning value according to Fangraphs. There's more to it than just stealing bases.

 

I think if he can get his technique down he has enough speed to be a 30 SB guy on top of being a good base runner.

Santiago being an all-star was a fluke. He's the same old wild, 100 pitches thru 5 innings Santiago. We won the trade.

No contradiction.

He's a "keeper" in the sense that he's a decent baseball player. I hope the Sox trade him because he's not as good as his numbers, he'd return value and you can't build a team trading prospects only.

A keeper is someone you keep, not trade. So I think it was a contradiction. But that's just me. And I disagree, I do think he is as good or better than his numbers.

Santiago being an all-star was a fluke. He's the same old wild, 100 pitches thru 5 innings Santiago. We won the trade.

Agree 100% an we need to find a couple more deals like that

Sorry, I rather have Trayce out there full time and see him learn the ropes. Eaton is a nice player to have, but is the type if player you should dump if you have a bad team. I'd trade him in a package.

Sorry, I rather have Trayce out there full time and see him learn the ropes. Eaton is a nice player to have, but is the type if player you should dump if you have a bad team. I'd trade him in a package.

That makes zero sense.

If you trade your above average players that are locked up to team-friendly, sub-market, pre-free agency extensions, you will ALWAYS be rebuilding.

Which is what the Sox should be doing. Eaton is hardly someone you should build around offensively or defensively. He can't carry you in either aspect. For a team looking to contend, he's the right player as one of the missing pieces. As a team so far away like the Sox, he should be the top of your trade block.

 

Maybe Trayce isn't that good, maybe he is. Point is, you pet him play and find out what you have with him while some team overpays for Eaton.

That makes zero sense.

 

Makes perfect sense, especially if you think Eaton has peaked, which I do. I don't like him long term for this team unless we decide to sign a bunch of boppers.

Makes perfect sense, especially if you think Eaton has peaked, which I do. I don't like him long term for this team unless we decide to sign a bunch of boppers.

Eaton has very good minor league numbers too, it's not like he's come out of nowhere. I'm not sure why you think he's peaked.

Eaton has very good minor league numbers too, it's not like he's come out of nowhere. I'm not sure why you think he's peaked.

 

Has he showed vast improvement from one year to the next? Not really. In fact, you can argue his defense has gotten worse.

Has he showed vast improvement from one year to the next? Not really. In fact, you can argue his defense has gotten worse.

Even if he's peaked he'll be easily worth his contract. But his power numbers and baserunning value are significantly better than last year.

Which is what the Sox should be doing. Eaton is hardly someone you should build around offensively or defensively. He can't carry you in either aspect. For a team looking to contend, he's the right player as one of the missing pieces. As a team so far away like the Sox, he should be the top of your trade block.

 

Maybe Trayce isn't that good, maybe he is. Point is, you pet him play and find out what you have with him while some team overpays for Eaton.

 

 

Makes perfect sense, especially if you think Eaton has peaked, which I do. I don't like him long term for this team unless we decide to sign a bunch of boppers.

 

 

Has he showed vast improvement from one year to the next? Not really. In fact, you can argue his defense has gotten worse.

 

You're just wrong on so many levels. If you want to package him, package him for what? Trading him would make Abreu the only one on offense that is worth a damn right now.

 

Sox have a rotation you can win with right now, just a matter of finding the right offensive players to go along with that. Eaton is definitely in that discussion.

 

With 9 games left in the season, Eaton has tied his doubles from last year, 1 less triple, 12 more HRs, more RBIs, SBs the same, more walks, more strikeouts (negative), lower average (.283), lower OBP (356), higher ops. If you want Trayce in the lineup and move Eaton to LF then I could do that, but flat out trading him on a team friendly contract is just wrong. You want Adam Eaton in your lineup, you can win with him.

 

Only thing I agree with you is that his defense has regressed this year, but was great last year. Give him a 3rd year to see how it goes.

Makes perfect sense, especially if you think Eaton has peaked, which I do. I don't like him long term for this team unless we decide to sign a bunch of boppers.

He's still young. Why has he peaked?

Santiago being an all-star was a fluke. He's the same old wild, 100 pitches thru 5 innings Santiago. We won the trade.

Agree. The Sox improved 10 games making small trades of one young player for another. I still have no idea why they reversed course of the winter of 2014 and did moves for veterans that weakened the organization.

Now they can move Eaton for probably two young promising players. Like a pinhooker- buy the Yearling and flipping for multiples of value at two.

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Agree. The Sox improved 10 games making small trades of one young player for another. I still have no idea why they reversed course of the winter of 2014 and did moves for veterans that weakened the organization.

Now they can move Eaton for probably two young promising players. Like a pinhooker- buy the Yearling and flipping for multiples of value at two.

Dude, prospects flop all the time. You trade Eaton for two of them you'll be lucky to even get one that turns out as good as him in the long-run. Sure, there's a small chance you end up with a better player or both prospects work out, but the odds are incredibly low. If you're going to take that gamble, you might as well trade the rest of your assets (Sale, Quintana, & Abreu) and straight-up rebuild, because you're pushing your timeline back another year or two.

 

As disappointing as this season has been, we still have a playoff caliber pitching staff in place. Putting together a legit offense will be challenge, but one that's not necessarily impossible if they're willing to commit some resources to fixing it (cash & minor league pitching). Again, if ownership & the front office aren't willing to do that, then blow this f***ing thing up, as you definitely don't want to get stuck in the middle.

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The way some Sox fans talk you'd think we're on pace to lose 100 games this season. If two of LaRoche, Melky, and Alexei just repeated their 2014 seasons, we'd be right there for a playoff spot this year. Throw in one of Samardzija and Sale coming even kind of close to their 2014 ERAs and we probably win the second wildcard. The difference between 76 wins and 88-89 wins is really not that much in baseball, teams make that kind of jump every year, and we have done it several times in the last decade. All it takes is a couple breaks going your way.

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Hell, you don't even have to go back to 2014. LaRoche had a .760 OPS entering June. He keeps that pace the rest of the year, Samardzija doesn't completely fall apart after the deadline, and Sale repeats his first half ERA, there's a good chance we make the playoffs. And again, a 10-game improvement really isn't that much in baseball, that's turning 5 of your losses over 162 games into wins. The difference isn't as big as it might seem. My point is that we were a couple breaks away from a playoff berth even this year, yet a lot of posters here act like the situation is completely hopeless.

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Dude, prospects flop all the time. You trade Eaton for two of them you'll be lucky to even get one that turns out as good as him in the long-run. Sure, there's a small chance you end up with a better player or both prospects work out, but the odds are incredibly low. If you're going to take that gamble, you might as well trade the rest of your assets (Sale, Quintana, & Abreu) and straight-up rebuild, because you're pushing your timeline back another year or two.

 

As disappointing as this season has been, we still have a playoff caliber pitching staff in place. Putting together a legit offense will be challenge, but one that's not necessarily impossible if they're willing to commit some resources to fixing it (cash & minor league pitching). Again, if ownership & the front office aren't willing to do that, then blow this f***ing thing up, as you definitely don't want to get stuck in the middle.

 

Especially in this organization. They hit the mark on pitching but that's it. At some point you can't keep trading those who are decent or good hoping for younger decent and good. There's plenty of organizations do that and have just as many years without a postseason.

 

I completely disagree with you.

 

It's so hard to find a good leadoff hitter and average to above average defensive CF. This year not so great defensively, but last year he was pretty damn good.

 

According to Baseball Reference, in his 2 years with the Sox, he has a combined 9.3 WAR. 5.6 last year and 3.7 this year. He's 26, and with so few offensive building blocks, you don't trade that away.....

 

Hard to believe they filled two holes with one player. How far they have come from Brian Anderson and Jaun Pierre. Trading players because they are decent for a hit and miss prospect or two to an organization that has far more failures than successes with position players exceed the realm of baseball stupidity. Sox fans forget this is not an organization like the Cardinals.