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Another shooting: San Bernadino

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What is the speculation on the motivation of this one? Its not ISIS or anything right?

 

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QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 05:07 PM)
What is the speculation on the motivation of this one? Its not ISIS or anything right?

 

No idea at the moment.

Ho hum. Shrug. Stuff happens.

Obama and his false flag operations to try to take our guns away.

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 07:37 PM)
Obama and his false flag operations to try to take our guns away.

Hey Greg, you posted that with the wrong account.

 

Oh well, what're you gonna do? Can we get back to the important topics of banning refugees and closing mosques and creating religious registries?

Found a pipe bomb on one of the suspects

QUOTE (Big Hurtin @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 07:08 PM)
Hey Greg, you posted that with the wrong account.

 

I should post this in the Republican thread, yes?

Very sad. Bury your head in the sand if you think America is safe. You are in danger at work, at church, at the movies, at sporting events, walking down the street, sitting in your living room or on the porch. Better learn how to duck, as bullets might be coming at any time. Very very sad.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 06:07 PM)
What is the speculation on the motivation of this one? Its not ISIS or anything right?

Right now the speculation seems to be that one of them was an ex employee there or somehow knew some of the people there.

attacked a Center for the Disabled

 

wtf

As someone with a FOID card I honestly don't understand the need to even manufacture automatic assault rifles. They aren't for hunting or personal protection.

A workplace mass shooting by a Muslim? It's like Christmas for the cable news channels.

Planned Parenthood, Black Lives Matter and now this. So much terrorism.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 09:43 PM)
As someone with a FOID card I honestly don't understand the need to even manufacture automatic assault rifles. They aren't for hunting or personal protection.

Has there been any official statement as to what the guns were? All I have seen is 'long guns'. if you rely on witness descriptions, a single shot .22 can be an 'assault weapon'. And if they WERE automatic weapons, 99.9% chance he didn't acquire them legally, as they are almost impossible to get in the US.

As someone with a FOID card I honestly don't understand the need to even manufacture automatic assault rifles. They aren't for hunting or personal protection.

 

These weren't automatic. Automatic = able to fire many bullets with a single pull of the trigger.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 07:43 AM)
These weren't automatic. Automatic = able to fire many bullets with a single pull of the trigger.

Sorry, Assault rifles in general. Semi-Auto assault rifles are pretty easily converted to fully auto though. I just dont understand their place in the world outside of the military.

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QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Dec 2, 2015 -> 11:18 PM)
Has there been any official statement as to what the guns were? All I have seen is 'long guns'. if you rely on witness descriptions, a single shot .22 can be an 'assault weapon'. And if they WERE automatic weapons, 99.9% chance he didn't acquire them legally, as they are almost impossible to get in the US.

Several reports have said the couple returned with "tactical gear and assault rifles." Both of which I dont understand their place in society. Home protection and hunting would be the last places for an assault rifle.

.223 assault rifles, which if I recall means probably AR-15's, right?

 

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 08:12 AM)
Several reports have said the couple returned with "tactical gear and assault rifles." Both of which I dont understand their place in society. Home protection and hunting would be the last places for an assault rifle.

 

I suspect people still use them for hunting, but it's mostly for sport. I'm not a fan, and wouldn't have a problem with a ban on these weapons or at least a really stringent selection process, but I also don't see any difference between these assault weapons and really fancy sports cars. Both serve no real useful purpose, they're for hobbyists, and they both lead to unnecessary death. One to a larger degree than others, obviously.

Muslim, new Saudi Arabian bride partner, the weapons/gear... this wasn't your run of the mill "gone postal" shooting. Odd though that if it was pre-planned that he would still go to the office party in the morning.

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QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 09:04 AM)
I suspect people still use them for hunting, but it's mostly for sport. I'm not a fan, and wouldn't have a problem with a ban on these weapons or at least a really stringent selection process, but I also don't see any difference between these assault weapons and really fancy sports cars. Both serve no real useful purpose, they're for hobbyists, and they both lead to unnecessary death. One to a larger degree than others, obviously.

Sure maybe, except really good sport hunters tend to use single shot high powered rifles rather than AR-15's with massive clips. By definition very good hunters wont need to repeatedly pull the trigger and a relatively closer range than rifles.

 

They are completely stupid in home defense. You want to limit the ability of bullets to break through drywall into other rooms. The largest gun you would need at home is a shotgun full of buckshot.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 09:12 AM)
Sure maybe, except really good sport hunters tend to use single shot high powered rifles rather than AR-15's with massive clips. By definition very good hunters wont need to repeatedly pull the trigger and a relatively closer range than rifles.

 

They are completely stupid in home defense. You want to limit the ability of bullets to break through drywall into other rooms. The largest gun you would need at home is a shotgun full of buckshot.

 

I don't know a lot about them, but I do know those guns are highly customizable. I doubt hunters use them as machine guns to take down a deer or whatever.

 

I'm with you on home defense. Maybe the theory is if an intruder sees that kind of gun they'd be scared off more than with a shotgun? I dunno. You'd certainly get more shots with that rifle over a shotgun though.

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