Nah said today that hopefully Latos' injuries are behind him, so this fluid must not be much of a concern at the moment.

Nah said today that hopefully Latos' injuries are behind him, so this fluid must not be much of a concern at the moment.

Hahn?

 

Well I hope he turns out ok and helps us. We need it.

Hahn?

 

Well I hope he turns out ok and helps us. We need it.

 

Somebody...

Somebody...

Giggity

I think recurring fluid problems related to cartilage (and we have zero idea if 90 cubic centimeters of fluid drained two years ago is particularly significant or not) that are ongoing for two years now aren't completely minor because of 1) his size, 2) the fact that he's seen a decrease in velocity of roughly 1.5 MPH from his prime years with the Reds, although we'd have to look month by month last year at the fangraphs charts, as there were indications of velocity coming back a bit more the 2nd half, 3) the fact that his injury treatments/prognosis and readiness to pitch have caused issues in the past with at least one training staff.

Edited February 22, 201610 yr by caulfield12

I think recurring fluid problems related to cartilage (and we have zero idea if 90 cubic centimeters of fluid drained two years ago is particularly significant or not) that are ongoing for two years now aren't completely minor because of 1) his size, 2) the fact that he's seen a decrease in velocity of roughly 1.5 MPH from his prime years with the Reds, although we'd have to look month by month last year at the fangraphs charts, as there were indications of velocity coming back a bit more the 2nd half, 3) the fact that his injury treatments/prognosis and readiness to pitch have caused issues in the past with at least one training staff.

 

There's a reason the Sox got him at the price they did -- his medicals. Fluid in the knee is just a symptom of structural damage and is the body's response to injury so in itself it tells us nothing other than something isn't right in his knee. Now, pitching isn't exactly golf but it's not basketball either. Can they manage the pain and swelling and can he pitch through some soreness and stiffness? Who knows.

 

He probably will be skipping starts left and right so Johnson better be ready.

There's a reason the Sox got him at the price they did -- his medicals. Fluid in the knee is just a symptom of structural damage and is the body's response to injury so in itself it tells us nothing other than something isn't right in his knee. Now, pitching isn't exactly golf but it's not basketball either. Can they manage the pain and swelling and can he pitch through some soreness and stiffness? Who knows.

 

He probably will be skipping starts left and right so Johnson better be ready.

 

Some would argue golf, with all the torque on the back/hips/knees (see Tiger Woods' body falling apart in his mid 30's)...is getting to be pretty comparable to a pitcher throwing or a batter swinging violently, but your point is well taken.

 

When Contreras went down with his lower body injuries in 2006, he never was the same pitcher again.

There's a reason the Sox got him at the price they did -- his medicals. Fluid in the knee is just a symptom of structural damage and is the body's response to injury so in itself it tells us nothing other than something isn't right in his knee. Now, pitching isn't exactly golf but it's not basketball either. Can they manage the pain and swelling and can he pitch through some soreness and stiffness? Who knows.

 

He probably will be skipping starts left and right so Johnson better be ready.

 

i think so, wasn't there pitchers who sign contracts in the IR yrs, the team will hope that they will get a discount in the resigning. also, the fact that the sox has a very good pitching coach who can help in the rehab, the pitching side of his rehab.....

 

as i was looking back, i see that the sox, while knowingly sign an injured latos, may not have been willing to sign a healthy sp to help this team.

 

i don't get it, spend x-amount on a injured pitcher, how is he going to help this team this yr???

I think recurring fluid problems related to cartilage (and we have zero idea if 90 cubic centimeters of fluid drained two years ago is particularly significant or not) that are ongoing for two years now aren't completely minor because of 1) his size, 2) the fact that he's seen a decrease in velocity of roughly 1.5 MPH from his prime years with the Reds, although we'd have to look month by month last year at the fangraphs charts, as there were indications of velocity coming back a bit more the 2nd half, 3) the fact that his injury treatments/prognosis and readiness to pitch have caused issues in the past with at least one training staff.

The fluid was drained last year.

Okay, he had surgery two years ago, fluid drained last year and needs it again...that's probably not the most positive indicator from a physical standpoint.

Okay, he had surgery two years ago, fluid drained last year and needs it again...that's probably not the most positive indicator from a physical standpoint.

There is nothing that says he needs it drained again. Andre Dawson probably leads the world in having knees drained, had fluid on his knees almost his entire career, and is in the HOF. While it would be better there wasn't excess fluid in his knee, we have no idea the cause, we have some idea of the severity. He is participating in spring training. As someone who does get fluid from time to time and had my knee drained once, it could be a big deal, it might be nothing.

 

 

He worked with a physical therapist this offseason strengthening the area. Perhaps they overdid it. But we don't know. Draining the knee isn't the only way to get fluid out of there. And it hurts a lot.

 

Hahn said he hoped the injuries were behind him. If this was a big issue right now, he probably would have mentioned it.

Edited February 22, 201610 yr by Dick Allen

There is nothing that says he needs it drained again. Andre Dawson probably leads the world in having knees drained, had fluid on his knees almost his entire career, and is in the HOF. While it would be better there wasn't excess fluid in his knee, we have no idea the cause, we have some idea of the severity. He is participating in spring training. As someone who does get fluid from time to time and had my knee drained once, it could be a big deal, it might be nothing.

 

 

He worked with a physical therapist this offseason strengthening the area. Perhaps they overdid it. But we don't know. Draining the knee isn't the only way to get fluid out of there. And it hurts a lot.

 

Hahn said he hoped the injuries were behind him. If this was a big issue right now, he probably would have mentioned it.

 

Why would it be helpful to lower your negotiating position with another team or free agent until you have to....?

 

I guess the better question is why is the Daily Herald seemingly making a bigger deal out of it than the Trib or Sun-Times?

Why would it be helpful to lower your negotiating position with another team or free agent until you have to....?

 

I guess the better question is why is the Daily Herald seemingly making a bigger deal out of it than the Trib or Sun-Times?

Hahn's comments were made yesterday. The contract was already negotiated. Read the article again. It says he still has fluid, but it also says he feels great. If they can manage it, he should be fine. It's not necessarily a big deal.

I wouldn't read too much into Latos' knee until more is known. It may hold up, it may not. I'm patient enough to wait and see how his knee responds after some ST starts.

 

If Latos didn't have some issues he wouldn't have signed for 3M.

This is why we can't trade Erik Johnson. Whether this specific news is a big deal or not, Latos' health is just uncertain.