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So, I would think that Buehrle, Danks, and Floyd are locks. What about the 4th and 5th spots? I hope that we've seen the last of Vazquez and Contreras (although I would take Contreras over Vazquez if we kept one). Is Clayton "Teeth" Richard a starter next year? Are the Sox going to bring someone fro within, sign a FA, or make a trade? I don't see any big FA signings, but I suppose a trade would be possible.

 

Any ideas out there? Wishes?

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I wish:

 

Buehrle

Lowe

Danks

Floyd

Contreras

 

But, Lowe is a Boras client. So...I could see something like this:

 

Buehrle

Floyd

Danks

Conteras

Wolf

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I wish (pipe dream)

Lincecum

Buehrle

Floyd

Danks

Zito/Bailey

 

The Probable:

Buehrle

Vasquez

Danks

Floyd

Richard/C+ FA Signing

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 20, 2008 -> 04:04 PM)
I wish (pipe dream)

Lincecum

Buehrle

Floyd

Danks

Zito/Bailey

 

The Probable:

Buehrle

Vasquez

Danks

Floyd

Richard/C+ FA Signing

 

Get outta Dodge.

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 20, 2008 -> 06:08 PM)
Get outta Dodge.

It's a much discussed proposal. Is it worth taking on the 5 years and $101,500,000 remaining on Barry Zito's deal if you don't have to give up much of anything to acquire him and they throw in Tim Lincecum?

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Off the top of my head, this is what I want

 

mark buehrle

John Danks

Gavin Floyd

Brett Myers

Clayton Richard

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 20, 2008 -> 03:04 PM)
Zito/Bailey

 

With that contract?!?!?!? Nevermind the fact he was for crap this year.

 

I honestly wouldn't mind seeing Kenny make a play for Aaron Cook this offseason.

Ervin Santana probably can't be had now.

Maybe Duchscherer?

 

I honestly wouldn't be against talking to Freddy either.

Edited by Wanne

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I'll take Vasquez over Conteras, thanks. Vasquez is a good fourth starter, plus I don't think Conteras will be anything worth keeping around after his injury. Plus, hes like 3467343894367 years old.

 

I would not touch Brett Meyers at all.

 

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QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 20, 2008 -> 05:16 PM)
It's a much discussed proposal. Is it worth taking on the 5 years and $101,500,000 remaining on Barry Zito's deal if you don't have to give up much of anything to acquire him and they throw in Tim Lincecum?

 

What's the proposal? IMO...no...it's not worth taking it on. WAAAAAAAY too much quiche invested in Zito and if the Giants are actually even remotely thinking about dealing Lincecum the line of thinking is they want WAY too much in return and/or they think he's not too far from a major injury. No thanks.

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There's no way they'd do Lincecum even with potential injury concerns, but I'm curious as to whether they'd consider giving up Cain. Not that I want the Sox even thinking about that, just that they'd almost certainly rather do Cain than Lince.

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I like how people seem to think Vazquez is a horrible pitcher just because the recent past seems clearer than one's overall history. He's not a 1 or 2. But he's a great 4 guy and can be much much better than that when he's on.

 

Vazquez>Contreras any day of the week.

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I guess the implosion that was Vazquez towards the end is what sticks in many people's minds (mine included). He does have some good stuff and has shown flashes of brilliance. But it's hard to wash that taste out of my mouth...towards the end (when it REALLY counted) he was horrible. You just knew it was going to be a loss.

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1.) Contreras won't be throwing again for a while now, and in fact, I'd say there's a good chance his career is over.

2.) Anyone saying that they'd prefer Contreras over Vazquez is plain and simple stupid.

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QUOTE (Hawkfan @ Oct 21, 2008 -> 12:17 AM)
Off the top of my head, this is what I want

 

mark buehrle

John Danks

Gavin Floyd

Brett Myers

Clayton Richard

 

I like the Myers idea I think

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Vasquez is a good pitcher, but after ozzie told him he has no juevos/marbles, I just don't see him sticking around.

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QUOTE (Hawkfan @ Oct 20, 2008 -> 09:56 PM)
Vasquez is a good pitcher, but after ozzie told him he has no juevos/marbles, I just don't see him sticking around.

 

Ozzie has no control over where Javy goes though. KW has to be on the same page.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 20, 2008 -> 08:56 PM)

 

Agreed! I'm all for talent...but character to me is still VERY important. Not to try and hijack the thead or anything...but it was kind of the same reason I was NOT a fan of the Kobe to the Bulls deal.

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Whenever I hear the name Brett Meyers I think of that interview where a reporter asked Meyers to spell retard after he called him one, and Meyers couldn't. He just seems like a punk, and I still think hes on the downside of his career

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QUOTE (whitesoxbrian @ Oct 20, 2008 -> 08:03 PM)
I'm confused how we'd get Lincecum while keeping Danks and Floyd. IMO, we'd have to give up 1 of the 2.

As has been discussed it's a pipe dream and is indeed, highly unlikely to ever occur. That being said, a package of Anderson, Allen, Shelby, Broadway, McCullough and a few other pieces (We're talking high upside bats, with maybe a Logan and a Egbert thrown in) would potentially sway the Giants as long as there was agreement that the Sox inherit a good portion of Zito's salary if not all of it. This is predicated on the Giants need for Lincecum being seemingly lessened by the emergence of Alderson and Bumgardener in their Minor League system, as well as the continued successes of Sanchez and Cain. Now, with Coopers recent successes, as well as some slight improvements shown my Zito in the second half it seems possible for his career to be somewhat revived in Chicago. As you saw, he was penciled in as the 5th starter in the rotation. Despite being a ludicrously wonderful thought, it's also highly unrealistic. So yes, I still stick to the idea that we'll be seeing the standard Buehrle, Vasquez, Danks, Floyd, insert FA starter here scenario.

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 20, 2008 -> 11:29 PM)
As has been discussed it's a pipe dream and is indeed, highly unlikely to ever occur. That being said, a package of Anderson, Allen, Shelby, Broadway, McCullough and a few other pieces (We're talking high upside bats, with maybe a Logan and a Egbert thrown in) would potentially sway the Giants as long as there was agreement that the Sox inherit a good portion of Zito's salary if not all of it. This is predicated on the Giants need for Lincecum being seemingly lessened by the emergence of Alderson and Bumgardener in their Minor League system, as well as the continued successes of Sanchez and Cain. Now, with Coopers recent successes, as well as some slight improvements shown my Zito in the second half it seems possible for his career to be somewhat revived in Chicago. As you saw, he was penciled in as the 5th starter in the rotation. Despite being a ludicrously wonderful thought, it's also highly unrealistic. So yes, I still stick to the idea that we'll be seeing the standard Buehrle, Vasquez, Danks, Floyd, insert FA starter here scenario.

 

The Sox don't have the pieces to reasonably make a deal for someone like Lincecum. The names you mentioned would have absolutely no value to the Giants in such a trade; they'd be interested in them just because they could use talent in their system, but the most you'd get is probably someone like Fred Lewis or Randy Winn, and even that's pretty damn unlikely. On top of that, McCulloch has literally no value unless some team wants to take a chance on him - a 4.65 ERA in a pitcher's park at AA...yeah no.

 

It's interesting to think of a Cain/Lincecum and Zito type deal, but I wouldn't put any real thought into it.

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Anybody that wants Boone Logan is a nutcase. His pitches scream hit me at all times.

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I've only had two beers tonight and still these are two of the funniest things I've read on here in a while.....and they're true:

 

 

"Anybody that wants Boone Logan is a nutcase. His pitches scream hit me at all times."

"Anyone saying that they'd prefer Contreras over Vazquez is plain and simple stupid."

 

:lol:

 

 

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