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So they signed with the Marlins why did we have no interest I thought we were out of the penalty box this year. People criticize the Marlins but the reason why they are able to keep tearing things down is because they go after the latin and cuban boys in IFA

That's how I am approaching it as well. Unless we come across an opportunity like Richards I want 1yr guys and see what we have in 2020 but that is more to fact I want some guys to move at the deadline and I also don't want to take bad bets (mid rotation starters in FA major risks and are almost always overpriced). That doesn't mean I am sort of blind to the need especially with Kopech TJS. We need pitching. Just the entire league does as well and the timing has to line up.

Agreed my major preference is for one year deals and unless they are injured most of them will want and get one year deals anyways. The only guys who will accept term are probably the guys you shouldn't be giving it to. I don't want to give any soft tossers coming off good years 3 years or even 2 years. I want guys with some upside. For me that means no Hellickson, Sanchez, Miley, or Gio.

The other guy suggested what 3/30 that really is nothing inregards to starting pitching and is a good bet to take. Also the likelyhood is at least two of those five guys you mentioned either doesn't make it or gets injured. Kopech is already coming back from TJS and will likely be on an innings limit. I don't get your stance at all when there is a good value bet to make I want this FO to pounce on that. I'm not buying this pie in the sky thinking that all five of our current bets and that is all they are at this point all (even Rodon is one from a health standpoint) are going to come up aces. Projecting that to happen in the future seems almost negligent to me. I mean it's fine to do as a fan but as a GM? I want to have some f'n contingencies and options incase of injuries, MLB regressions, and guys in the minors not turning out.

Who the f knows what these guys are going to be in 2020. I'd rather have Richards in my back pocket then dream on guys. Especially someone like Giolito.

I don't like it at all. I don't want the Sox to pay for middle rotation talent. That is how you get screwed. Look at that Cobb deal. Chatwood. We aren't in a position to contend anyways I agree the position needs to be filled but would much rather take a chance on a bounce back guy then commit ourselves with term to someone who is far from a sure thing themselves and has the downside of term. Most of these middle rotation guys that hit FA are fools gold or turds that another team has shined. I'd rather be the team paying these guys on shortterm deals then the sucker who signs them longterm after they have rebuilt their value.

I totally forgot Richards got injured. Of course he needs to be added to the list as well. Thats an idea and his agent isn't Boras so I could see him going for 3/30. Most agents look out for their clients and try to get them a little security Boras is only interested in the big deals so he lets his clients on bet on themselves and if they struggle coming back from TJS surgery well it aint him that's screwed he's still got 5 big names already lined up for free agency. That option seems sort of unreasonable for the player.

I swear I didn't write this per mlbtr on the 20th: Like Corbin, Red Sox right-hander Nathan Eovaldi is slated to be one of the most sought-after starters available in free agency. While Eovaldi, 28, likely won’t do as well as Corbin on his next contract, many executives see fellow righty Alex Cobb as a comparable, per Cafardo. Cobb signed a four-year, $57MM contract with Baltimore in free agency last offseason, though Cafardo argues Eovaldi’s in position to rake in an even richer deal. Regarding Eovaldi, one exec tells Cafardo: “He’s shown, first of all, that he’s healthy. He’s shown he can pitch on a big stage. He’s shown that he’s grown as a pitcher where he not only relies on that 97-100-miles-per-hour fastball, but now he has a cutter that’s proven so effective for him and allowed him to pitch deep into games. And, he’s had two Tommy John surgeries, survived them and is flourishing.” Eovaldi underwent the second of those surgeries in 2016 and has indeed held his own this year upon returning. Between Tampa Bay and Boston, he pitched to a 3.81 ERA/3.60 FIP with 8.19 K/9 an 1.62 BB/9 in 111 regular-season innings. Eovaldi has continued his effectiveness in the postseason for the AL-winning Red Sox, with a 1.88 ERA and 10 strikeouts against two walks in 14 1/3 frames. Some of you are dreaming with those numbers you are posting.

Like I said earlier we still have 3-4 spots open even if we sign three guys and since they are signed to shortterm deals we can always move them should they be playing well to open up a spot. Who knows maybe you get a couple interesting guys via trade. A bunch of those guys have options. Do you know who on that list is out of options?

The time for taking a chance on Eovaldi is long since past he will get legit money and term this offseason.

I think you guys are being way optimistic here. Right now we have one guy who we can pencil in Fry who may or not even be good. Are we really going to be able to find 6-7 guys who can hold it together for the whole season in the minor league because I could easily see us going through at least ten to twelve guys after accounting for injuries and people just not getting the job done. Also one of main draws we have over other clubs is we can offer a player like say Cody Allen the closer job and a chance to rebuild their value. Why not take advantage of that?

Well like I said these are probably one year deals. As intriguing as they maybe it's still what 6 possibly 7 open spots right now after Fry. I'd prefer to add at least two veterans ideally three to that group. Preferably a guy with closing experience. They can always be moved at the deadline if need be. We are talking shortterm deals even if we add three guys that leaves 3 possibly 4 open spots.

Eovaldi has dominant stuff and has put up good numbers I don't think he'll be underpaid he could take another Richard like step forward the question though is if he does that even matter for us? That's sort of the rub we are at least two years away so we'd basically be taking a chance and if he succeeds it doesn't matter we may get one or two meaningful years out of him (3yr/4yr deal) and if he fails due to injury or whatever then he'll still be on the roster even when we are in a position to contend. I'd much rather make those kind of moves in 2020 and start with a clean slate. So if we do take a chance on a similar type player there is more of an upside for the full length of the contract. I also think he probably gets 4 years. Cobb signed for 4/57 and his stuff isn't near as good. I could see him getting 4/63 easy.

Well Joe Kelly has pretty dominant stuff never really put it together with the sox. I'd be open to signing him to a 2yr deal and trying move him to the starting rotation

I wondered why I stopped getting notifications. Anyways personally I like to expose myself (ugh tried to find a better way to say this couldn't) to different ideas whether that be sports or politics. I find it extremely boring to read like minded articles or just talk with friends who agree with me. And for me anyways I'm always open to the possibility my first inclination on a subject is wrong. So I was fine with it. For me the quest on that forum wasn't so much to agree to disagree it's to disagree without being disagreeable.

I like Evolidi but the time to sign him was last offseason. He will get at least 3 maybe 4 years. That is not a move we should be making at this point in our process. What we need to do is find these guys on 1-2 year deals before they go off. Guys I would target: SP Matt Harvey Drew Pomeranz Lance Lynn Joe Kelly RP Andrew Miller Cody Allen A.J Ramos I would personally prefer to stay away from the Jeremy Hellicksons and Gio Gonzalez of the world much like Miguel Gonzalez there is no upside there not only in terms of future performance but also potential trades no contending team is going to give up anything for a guy with questionable stuff. I'd also be looking at a trade similarly to the deal for Soria an expiring guy coming off a down year with a team looking to free up payroll. Guys who could be options are Juan Nicasio (SEA), Tommy Hunter (PHI), Addison Reed (MIN), Jake McGee (2yrs) (COL). Bryan Shaw (2yrs) (COL), Brett Cecil (2yrs) (STL). Mike Dunn (COL). Of course some of these guys would need to have assets coming back as well. For position players I would be looking at: Josh Donaldson (major pillow contract 1/20 is an option) Marwin Gonzalez would shore up DH and give us an option at 1B should we move Abreu Matt Adams same Brett Gardner can play either LF or RF and possibly fill in at CF should the rest of the group fail again Matt Joyce can play LF/DH All these guys are probably looking at 1 year deals

Yep, but I was referring to the next big contract not the worst existing one. Davis though of the group easily takes the cake not just because he's a 1B making over 20+ million which shouldn't have happened even if he continued his 800-850 ish ways. But it's literally because he was healthy. He was so bad he actually hurt his team at historic levels because he was healthy Darvish got injured and never really pitched but there has to be some optimism he'll return to form once he gets healthy. Davis can't play in the ML but is making too much money not to.

No thanks to Manchado if he can't bother to hustle in his walk year how do you think he'll play once he gets his money. That guy has next MLB worst contract written all over him.

I get sent to Canada for work on a regular basis and I can tell you that simply isn't true. The media narrative in Canada is that Trump rolled over Trudeau got entry into the milk market and a whole host of other things while at the same time keeping the steel tariffs and also being prevented from doing a deal with China. What exactly did Canada get? They got to keep a couple things they wanted kept but they didn't get anything added. Mexico is even worse they got a whole bunch of standards as it relates to supply chains and wages that will force manufacturing jobs back to the states particularly in the automotive sector.

Anyways for me much of my support is he is totally unafraid to take on the establishment. Whether that be TPP, NAFTA, NATO, Tariffs, Immigration work visas. A bunch of other politicians talk a good game but does anyone think Hillary would have ended the TPP and renegotiated NAFTA?

First of all who are these people? And nothing you posted or the previous poster posted have much of anything to do with PC culture as a FYI I have my own opinion on things sometimes they match up with the mainstream view of the Republican party othertimes they don't. As do a bunch of other individuals who vote Republican some or all the time. There are some issues where there are very little disagreement but for example when it comes to homosexual marriage I couldn't care less if they get married. When it comes to Islam as long as the truth is being taught noone has a problem with it the problem lies with the fact some want to teach a sanitized version of their religion. Teach it all light is the best disinfectant that goes for Christianity as well. Of course in todays climate that may not be possible and if it isn't why shouldn't parents just not want it taught at all? I mean if both sides want to politicize the education of a subject why not leave it upto the parents? The same applies to sexual education I think it should be taught but not the current version which has more to do with social engineering then educating teens on sex. I'm not going to go through the twenty or so items you posted one by one because it would take too long. You noticed I said the left and I did that because identity politics and PC culture are actually not widely accepted democrat ideals at least among their voters. It's why a bunch of them fled the democrats in 2016 and Trump shattered the Blue Wall.

That's because the Republican party for the most part doesn't care about all the PC bullshit. If anything Warren just shows the ridiculousness of identity politics and left drive towards diversity rather then meritocracy and egalitarianism. Maybe in the future we will all have to submit our DNA tests to along with our resumes probably staple it to the first page. The left would love that seems like the perfect solution to the Warrens of the world.

That is true but I think you are somewhat falling into the trap of looking things through the lens of Trump. She has to get through a democrat primary first and while Republicans laugh at Warren for Democrats cultural appropriation is a real thing: https://thinkprogress.org/elizabeth-warren-is-not-cherokee-c1ec6c91b696/ Sure Trump can choose to make it an issue whenever he wants but I find it hard believe other democrats will give her a pass either especially the extreme progressive wing that like I said believes cultural appropriation and white privilege are real tings. Maybe her leftist bonafides give her a pass but I doubt it because noone believes in her "one drop Indianhood" she will get massacred IMO before she even becomes the nominee.

Well the Cherokee nation for one (aka real Indians) the other obviously being Warren and the others like me who really don't care but find it funny. She obviously is so invested in her lie like rachel dolezal she just refuses to admit she isn't an Indian. She is the one who released the results knowing the focus would shift to her during the midterms. You want to blame the right wing for that? Trump? Nonsense Warren did this.

I bet that is what Warren is saying about her 2020 campaign right about now. MSNBC host was just on saying the test proves she has as much native blood as he does. Ouch.