wrathofhahn

Yeah unless the Yankees desperate for rotation help make an offer you can't refuse I think you have to retain him and hope he regains his value. Something along the lines of Justus Shieffield, Albert Abreu, Luis Medina, Dermis Garcia.

We have some options to move. Abreu Nate Jones James Shields Luis Avilian Joakim Soria Xavier Cedeno Bruce Rodon We also have some longterm guys who could be moved. Yolmer Sanchez Jace Fry Hector Santiago So who stays and who goes. I think with the sending down of Bummer Hahn has sort of tipped his hand he is trying to be as active as possible and he loaded up on mediocre lefties which always have trade value. Personally I expect our relievers to be decimated. Avilian likely goes. Soria. Jones. Cedeno. I also expect Abreu to be shopped hard. Santiago is another guy they are trying to create value from and moving to the bullpen also a lefty. Shield stays. Fry stays. Sanchez may stay but longterm he's more of a 2B but looking at the teams don't see much demand. Rodon is sort of interesting he's been dominant much more so then his ERA indicates. If he gets a good package back despite this he's probably gone but I don't really see that happening but who knows the Cubs made that Q trade despite traditional metrics. Maybe there is a GM out there willing to pay full price. Rodon has a 1.89 FIP and a 3.07 xFIP. Still got the gas.

Why? I'd consider internal options or the waiver wire before shields. Shields is a shitty 5th starter. His xFIP is 5.11. If you have a real bad 5th starter you are looking for a significant upgrade not Shields.

Honestly I'd rather keep him and have him eat innings then get some organization 30th ranked prospect and pretend it's something.

It doesn't matter you can have a debate about positions being undervalued and being worth more at the deadline like for example Abreu based on supply and demand but even if there isn't anyone available Shields isn't worth much because he isn't any good. If you need SP after trading for Shields you still need SP. He's just a body and everyone knows it

Rafael Belliard 5'6 160 pounds. Someone actually hunted up the footage of all his homeruns he hit in his 17 year career and put it on youtube. Interesting watch if you can set aside the time.

Lefty with good stuff (they moved him to the pen). Shields is a RHP who barely breaks 90 on his fastball anymore.

Lol we aren't getting that for Shields. I'd be happy if we got a top 20 guy with upside.

How are you sure? Where is this certainty coming from? He hit 8 total in three years at oregon state

I misread the chart on my tablet for some reason I saw 74 inches. You are correct. That's still what 4 inches. As far as 2B base goes I think more then anything the reason why teams have sort of have been focusing SS height is batters are pulling the ball more and more it's also why teams shift so much.

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/219051906/shortstops-bigger-taller-cal-revolution So the average is 6-2 or 6-3 or 5 to 6 inches taller. Which is why a bunch of people are projecting him to move to 2nd.

If you don't mind seeing 1-2 balls a game fly over his head that other SS would have caught.

Do you draft a player top five to be light hitting SS or below average hitting 2B? I don't think so. Drafting gamers from college is stupid whether it be the MLB, NFL, or NBA. It's all about how they project at the next level.

Lets see him do that against MLB talent in the minors. He's 5'7 how many of those guys are there in baseball? I don't really have a problem taking him (more where he was taken) but unless he develops HR power he's going to be a light hitting SS/2B.

Another college guy yay. Why not take a more upside guy in Groshans or Stewart? Instead we draft yet another flawed college player. Don't get me wrong I like Madrigal but he's a midget. He'll never hit for any power.

Who is going to offer anything for him unless he sort of goes on a tear and has a 3.50 ish era what are we going to get. Miguel had a 4.31 ERA when he was moved with garbage stuff. We got Tiquan Forbes. I'd rather perserve our pitchers service time. Now if there is a roster crunch with Rondon then sure move him

I think with the stat revolution fans are much more clued into service time and where the farm is at. It used to be if you weren't in the major leagues no fan had heard of you. Now? Pretty much every serious white sox fan knows who Eloy , Robert, and Kopech are. Honestly, this is a good thing because good GM's get the credit and GM's who raid the farm for shortterm gain are exposed.

He is a big reason why the rebuild happened in the first place. He's also 1-6 this year and while he hasn't been god awful like in previous years he hasn't really been good either. So I honestly have zero sympathy for the dude.

He's gained some velocity there is a big difference between throwing 92 and 95 hopefully it sticks .

I misread the quote should have clicked on the previous convo to get the proper context. My bad. Yes, I meant for this year only. Just to go into a little more detail we really have very little major league SP depth. To me anyways I'd rather preserve the extra year of control of our top pitching prospects (may next year) and not burn their service time then get some prospect that isn't really a prospect. For top SP that extra year would be valued somewhere around 20-25 million. You look at what Hughes went for which was essentially a 1st round comp for 7.25 million and I just don't see the upside.

This unless he goes on a tear before the deadline it's hard to see us getting much of anything. I'd honestly rather just keep him rather then burn through some young players service time.

Lets abandon the rebuild because James Shields wants to win!

Giants need pitching and have Shields old buddy Longoria.

We are in year two of a rebuild why are people belly aching like this has been some sort of long drawn out process?

Yeah not buying it I listened to Hahn (not a beat guy) and he said in the offseason he doesn't match with the timeline. Of course much depends on the offers but a decent offer and I think he's gone