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Baseball reference has him having an additional year of control and do a much better job tracking service time. Unless Puig deal explicitly allows him to reach FA rather then being offered ARB..

Sorry Wanne your clip reminded me of this pretty much the CHW only chance

It would be a straight salary dump for the dodgers. Lets face it Puig isn't worth his salary. He actually has one more year of control but will likely be non-tendered next year.

I'm not saying it's the most likely option only that it is an option and I don't think the Dodgers really hold that high of an opinion of Puig. They tried to trade him in the offseason coming off a much better year

Who? Saladino was an infielder. Are you talking about May? He barely had a cup of coffee.

Engel is the worst offensive OF in CHW history. His defense is good but even Willie Mays wouldn't be able to make up for his bat. He has a 35 wRC+/36 OPS+. That is well words can't really do it justice. Baseball reference already has him at a -1 WAR. That means right now he's projected to finish with a -4 WAR. There have only been 20 players according to BR who have had a -4 WAR or greater in MLB history. He's been that bad.

If you are keeping around assets then you aren't rebuilding you are just sort of existing. The O's are a prime example of why this strategy is stupid. Now they are stuck trading Machado for pennies on the dollar and because they held onto their other assets too long they are worthless. No thanks. I think the rebuild could have been done a little better this offseason by bringing in some veterans instead of for example playing Engel and starting James Shields We did that to some extent with our bullpen but I would have liked us to bring in some veteran starters on minor league deals. Guys like Hellickson was there for the taking.

He probably replaces Puig in the OF. Remember he originally came up as an OF. There are baseball people with the Dodgers who think Cody Bellinger is their best defensive center fielder — Peter Gammons (@pgammo) July 13, 2017

Mo Vaughn has a better chance of winning the boston marathon then this team making a run.

Sure but the McCann trade happened in 2016. He really wasn't that good when he was moved and at that point already transitioned to 1B. Earlier I named five teams that could be interested in his services. It sort of helps there are a bunch of 1B on contending teams having terrible years. Whether that be the Mets. Yankees. Astros. Mariners. Rockies. Nationals. Indians Then you also have a team like the dodgers who need help and can move 1B off a position and get help there. Last year was a different story pretty much all the main guys will hitting we will have to see how it holds up. Another thing going for the CHW is if you take a look at the Mariners and Rockies for example they are two teams where they haven't really been there for awhile. They maybe more hungry to make a deal and for their fans to see a run.

Lucroy was dealt for a PTBNL when he declined. When he could hit and had control they got a good return. It all really depends on what teams need if there is demand we could get a good offer other trades of 1B I sort of remember being good returns are the Texeria trade obviously. The Agonz trade (padres). The yankees also got a good return for McCann but you would think Abreu would be worth more. The other thing that is sort of key is how he hits. If he continues to tear the cover off the ball the demand will be greater some team will view him as the missing piece of their offense.

Lucroy maybe? Beltran?

He only had one year left but yeah agreed if that is the return let him play it out and then take the pick

I disagree with you about development from what I've seen watching baseball and just been told by coaches via interviews is there isn't much development that happens in the MLB during the season. I remember the old bobby cox saying of something to the effect the major leagues is for winning games, the minor league is for developing players. The basis of that is coaches are coming up with game plans shifts lineups doing media obligations they don't have the time to work on young players like coaches in the minor league during the season. Thats why when a player struggles like Fulmer even in a new era of clubs rebuilding he got sent down rather then figuring it out here.

I don't think GM's should or do look at the same way you do. GM's look at it from the perspective they have 7 years of control and they try to maximize that control in the best way for their club. If we were contenders and wanted to promote Kopech and Eloy at an advanced rate then I would have no problem with that look at the nationals are doing with Soto as an example. The problem lies when you burn through your best players service time on clubs that have no chance to win.

If the opt-out is mutual then the deal is fine but you might as well just make it three then because unless you front load the deal year 35/36 he aint opting out. Alse the still fact remains he will likely be into his decline phase by the time the sox are good and we'd be essentially be paying him to play his best baseball for a club that won't win a meaningful game. For that reason I'd still move him if a good offer is on the table if none exists then you sort of have a decision to make. Then maybe you sort of weigh the benefits of an extension or potentially offering a QO in two years time. Honestly my preference would still be to wait. Time is on our side it isn't on Abreus

He was 29 when he signed his deal. Abreu will be 33.

Beyond ill advised it would be GM malpractice at the end of both arb years he'll be 33. Why would anyone pay 95 million for 1B/DH going through ages 33-38. That is insane. https://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/02/what-baseball-player-prime-age/mS39neFWm4hrVukT6lSYuK/story.html Edwin Encarnison had to settle for 3 years 60 million that is sort of Abreu ceiling because honestly the market for 1B/DH has only gotten worse since then and EE was coming off a year where he hit 40 HR's

Agreed not to mention they are both still young and have stuff to work on. Let them continue to grow in the minor leagues rather then have them start the clock on a meaningless year.

Cordell has at least hit in the minor leagues. Engel has never hit anywhere except a couple of spring training games and low A ball.

Sure Davidson makes it easier in the nearterm and it sort of gives us more clarity longterm but the main reason to move Abreu has nothing to do Davidson it's his age and limited control. If we were contenders I'd be perfectly fine with sacrificing some of Davidson value by not playing him at 3B/1B and just having him DH. It would make perfect sense kind of like what the Redsox are doing with Javier. But right now we aren't ready to win and honestly if Davidson can hit I want to see if he can play 1B or even 3B.

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He has a .482 OPS. I'd be fine with anyone else. Hell put Abreu in CF and I'm sure you'd be able to extract more value. The other problem I have with Engel is he isn't a prospect, he isn't a bounce back guy, he's basically someone who we are wasting time with. When you look at successful rebuilds one thing they do is they put interesting guys in that either can bounce back or 4A who have good stats in the minors but have yet to be given a shot. Engel has had his shot. His Minor league stats suck almost as much as his ML ones. People talk about him like he's some sort of interesting prospect he's 26. He's had 400 AB in the ML where he's managed to hit .509. If the coaching staff and FO feels he still has potential fine send him down to AAA where he doesn't get called up until he proves he can hit. Honestly right now Engel is the worst player in baseball at the ML.

You expect him to buck historical trends on what basis? The fact he hasn't shown decline yet thats now how it works he's 31 the big decline usually happens 33-34. He'll be 33 when his contract ends part of what he is saying now is he no doubt wants to stay but he also probably wants an extension.

Some people are hopeless when it comes to rebuilds and also Abreu has nothing to do with having a good team to cheer for we'll be bad regardless of with him or without him for the next two years.