WestEddy

I think the 2025 bullpen will be a little better prepared with long men than 2024's.

Oh. Why would anyone be referring to prospects that are at least a year away when talking about the initial 2025 starting rotation. Maybe I'm just being "Caulfielded".

I don't think the projections are wrong. They're snapshots of probabilities based on what players have done in the past, with small adjustments taking development into consideration as players age towards one's peak, or regression as they age away. People who run the simulations don't enter "started throwing a new kick-change" into the formula, or "dude dominated in 10 spring training innings". Being a fan means hoping that Martin Perez can revert more towards his 2022 production, rather than continue to perform worse than his 2024 stats. (Do I need to show statistical proof of that before I can "hope" it?) Or that Davis Martin and Sean Burke can produce in ways that prospect evaluation people think they can, instead of what their minor league and limited major league numbers spit out in 1000 simulations. All of Soroka, Flexen, Cannon and Nastrini were disasters in their first trips through the rotation. I feel confident that the 3-4-5 starters in 2025 will fare better.

Those are projections. I don't think anybody buys into Fangraphs' projection of 63 wins for the Sox. Chris Flexen was worth 1.3 fWAR last season. That projection assumes that 4 of their starters will be worse than Chris Flexen, and the 5th will be worth less than 0 fWAR.

When I refer to the entire rotation "1-5", I believe I'm indicating that I'm adding in the "big 3". When you've pulled Brad Keller off the waiver wire, and you're starting him on May 3, I think that's a textbook definition of "the worst possible scenario". The 2024 rotation fell apart quickly and was a mess until maybe September. For as "Cy Young competitive" as you think Crochet was, he was a good 2+ bWins behind the leaders. I understand that he never started the 5th inning after June 30th. I don't think any of these guys will reach the 5.5 bWAR that Fedde did, but I wouldn't think it crazy for 1-2 of Martin, Perez, Burke and Cannon to reach 3.5 bWAR. Chris Flexen threw up 1.6, for heaven's sake. It's reasonable to say that maybe Perez and Cannon are allowed to maintain a pace to reach 140 IP by the end of the year (pace, because Perez will probably be traded). If Martin, Burke and Shane Smith are "managed", Thorpe, Nastrini, Iriarte, Eder, White, Gilbert, Dunn, Wikelman, Eder, Mason Adams (after June) are there to throw innings in the 2nd half. I don't know what May 2026 is in reference to. I'm comparing the 24 rotation to the possible 25 rotation.

I recall reading here that Haber was the one who burst in and demanded they pick Gonzo. Burst in might be strong, but the head of amateur scouting didn't make that pick. I agree with you that it's pretty noteworthy that Janish said that. Throwing shade on Haber, maybe. James Fox has said that with Teel off the board, Arjun Nimmala was Shirley's next choice.

Isn't the premise of the TV show House that every patient lies?

Even taking Crochet and Fedde into account, I think they enter '25 with a stronger and more reliable rotation (1-5) than they did in '24.

the "maybe even" indicates that I didn't consider him to be among the guys who would obviously be dealt.

54. I got overly exuberant in the bold predictions thread and yelled out 60, but they're just not going to score enough runs, and if they do, Drury, Robert, Tauchman, Thaiss, maybe even Vaughn will be out the door sooner than later.

And if they held him out, y'all would have clucked at how lazy and unmotivated he was.

He kind of crossed the line with the Bush and Carella TJS announcements. Couldn't contain his glee and called it "karma", for some reason. I read the comments. When a small bunch of people descend into a hateful muck, criticizing every aspect of a baseball team, it kind of hurts to put that garbage in your head. I try to "ignore" the people who do nothing but, but some strings just explode with invective over an injury.

Not a sex act.

Sports medicine is, in itself, questionable. The whole purpose is to patch up players and get them back onto the field. There is an entire genre of non-fiction that tells players' stories of their journey through the system. Yes, tell us about White Sox specific incidents of abuse. But people crowing over a broken toe, and "laughing their asses off" over a non-medical spokesperson surmising at the time of the incident that a sprain occurred, then further testing revealing it to be a fracture has nothing to do with the stories of abuse. A few of the TJS strings here are a group of people yelling at me that the White Sox should be cutting open pitchers' arms at the first sign of a twinge so that they're not "lying" to grumpy fans (who will consider themselves lied to no matter what transpires). I'll wait for an actual misdiagnosis until I declare it so.

No, you wouldn't be. Those of us trying to inject reason into the "LMFAO!!!" discussions were the first to admit that. When you finally admit to this, you would be, maybe, the one thousandth or so to finally admit it. The perception exists because of people like you who are announcing to the world you are laughing your ass off at another injury, and then a bunch of grumps join in and create the perception of incompetence. The drug was neither "questionable" nor "illegal". I would think that somebody with your particular relationship to journalism would understand how inappropriate it is to imply he's injecting something illegal into an athlete. The trainer (one of a group of professional trainers who have been disciplined) skipped a step and administered the medication himself, rather than waiting for a licensed practitioner to arrive and do it.

I guess you have Liptak's comments on "ignore". Dude is absolutely gleeful whenever there's an injury. I can't count up the other "LMFAO!!!" comments whenever there's an injury. Maybe I'm the weirdo, and the appropriate thing to do when somebody tells me they had an accident and broke their arm is to bust out laughing in their face. I find it amazing that the grumps don't compute that maybe somebody feels a twinge in their off-season throwing program, and since they're 3 weeks away from reporting, they're told to wait until they get to the best facilities in the organization to check them out. Everything doesn't have to get smooshed into the same, tired narrative.

"Giving the benefit of the doubt" is moronic? ok

How is it that everyone who disagrees with you must be "washing Getz's balls", fluffing players, or whatever sex acts that spring into your addled mind? Am I to assume that your job is to stand in an alley and "reward" anybody who agrees with you that Getz is a bad GM? As has been explained multiple times, 2 different ownership groups. I don't care about the Bulls. Maybe you can find one of his Real Estate holding companies, and tell me about their vacation policies. I'm sure that would "fluff" your narrative.

That's an amazing admission by you. Congratulations on recognizing that a bunch of grumps cheering for injuries is the dirt standard for fact-based, injury-related analysis. Now that we've established that mopes who want pro athletes to immediately go under the knife without consultation at the first twinge in their arm - have no idea what they're talking about, maybe we can admit that their jeering the immediate guess that a player has a sprain (as he's limping off the field) and the eventual, correct diagnosis should hold zero weight, whatsoever.

I was asking a question. And yeah, the next time I see Luol Deng on the el, I'll tell him he was making "it" up. L(u)oL. Please tell me what "underlying data" I'm relying on. The fact that the team x-rayed his foot and found the problem tells me they know way more about player health than random posters on a Sox board. Can you direct me to the topic string where all the people who call for TJS immediately after a pitcher has elbow pain are mocked for their terrible record of dealing with player injuries?

Great brown-nosing. Why do I care about the Bulls?

I would think the people making the claims that the White Sox are so much worse than the rest of the league could provide the numbers they're relying on. I will confidently correct you and say it is not equally moronic to call out blow-hards mocking an organization for things they're making up in their heads. I'll back up my claims and say that zero teams x-ray players on the field. Your turn.

When was Luol Deng on the Sox?

I like how a guy who is part of the collective that should be fired and cleared out by a new regime to get rid of the "losing stink" of the old, suddenly becomes a sage baseball evaluator when he casts doubt on anything the Sox did.

It's weird how the people who want the team to immediately call for TJS when a pitcher feels elbow discomfort also mock the team for initial guesses at what might be wrong with an injured player.