WestEddy

I think Jairo Iriarte is probably the farthest from pitching out of the White Sox bullpen. That's an arm that would probably be grabbed right up, though. I think the Sox could just drag out the signing for 2-3 weeks, then start using the 60-day IL.

It's so hard for a team to lose 121 games. It's happened once in the history of the game. The Rockies were a worse team than the 24 Sox and still couldn't break the record. It's simple hyperbole, the same way dudes blurt out that the Sox are on their way to a 4th 100-loss season.

And the masses are stupid. I'm fairly certain we're both as unhappy with the "state of the nation" as it stands today. I can't count the number of people online who "thought" the Sox would rebreak the loss record in 2025. I sure hope they didn't bet that. Voting is free, though.

Who gives a s%*#? whining on a message board doesn't create any motivation to fire front office people, especially with JR.

And I take them both ways. Even the most cynical don't expect the White Sox to lose 100 this season, and they're betting lines, which have their own motivations. They probably skew extreme to draw in the early bettors. Thanks.

Yeah, that's the wisdom of crowds. Betting lines are set, though, and then move based on betting. Last year's ridiculous line of 49.5 wins for the White Sox eventually moved. I wouldn't rely on a prostitute sizing me up on the North Ave. bridge to assess my own value as a man.

These lines have nothing (or little) to do with where anybody thinks the Sox will wind up, but it's a magical spot that will inspire equal betting on both sides of the line to cancel each other out. The house makes money off the vig.

Arte Moreno had 2 HOFers on his team and couldn't win. He had players ODing on drugs supplied by personnel in the front office. JR is bad. He's not "the worst".

Just building out my stats...

Apparently, Davitt was getting trade interest after the World Series, so Getz protected him. Do other teams do that? Start calling other teams asking to trade for a guy on the bubble just to head fake another team into protecting someone they didn't have to?

Let's wait until they have to trade or DFA Mead. I'm sure you'll be happy with the return or result.

Guy I once heard of in passing relation to the White Sox alert (unsigned 14th rounder in 2014):

But still, if we were to trade Curtis Mead, we'd still hate a market driven return, because we'd still overvalue him, and then build in Adrian Houser's peak value. Acuña cost them Scherzer. He was the lone player coming back for Max.

The Tom Waddel quote is stupid. Enduring trust in your kid is the credit they get for not doing drugs. Just because the parent's a lunk head and withholds encouragement doesn't mean there's not still "credit". As it applies to the Sox situation would be like telling your kid that you want them to seek out all sorts of debauchery the parents' didn't even know existed, avoid that, then report back.

I'm not that deeply invested in my joke. I got nothing. I had to take a beat to not try to "win". I think fanbases are predisposed to hate their own players, but believe they're worth more than their team got for them, even though they're relieved to be out from under the contract or disappointment of that player. The same sentiment that we feel about Robert probably hits Mets' fans about Acuña's failed prospect. Phillies' fans would hate the return for Castellanos, while happy to be rid of him.

Brooks Baldwin and Aldrin Batista for Kris Bryant. Who gets angrier?

Getz had talked about trades and free agency in the wake of the Robert transaction. He seemed excited about it, as if things were advanced, waiting for Robert's money to move. I now wonder if a trade of Lee/Sosa/Mead/Quero/Cannon or any combination, thereof, is in the offing. I also wonder if they might hold the announcement of this or these moves until training camp opens in 3 weeks, and they could just put a pitcher on the 60-day IL instead of cutting someone.

I looked on Fangraphs, and don't see any team summaries beyond ZIPS, and those don't have any of the additions. Betting lines are used to entice betting, not log in actual projections. But if win totals haven't been released, then who is projecting the Sox to lose 100 games again? Are you referring to the people that argued the 2025 team would lose more games than the 2024?

A sports franchise isn't a child who needs encouragement to stay on the straight and narrow. We're a bunch of dopes sitting around and talking about the off-season. If somebody asks, "What has this team done to improve itself?", and the answer is a list of things they've actually done to improve themselves, the fact that somebody else has also done them doesn't negate that list.

Tell us what entity is projecting the Sox for under 63 wins after the off-season has substantially played out.

The rumor was they planned on signing Ryan O'Hearn. He signed for about $15 per? Murakami's money was probably always in the budget.

And you don't need to be a blind sheep and always pretend that outcomes below the lowest projected are going to happen because reasons.

Is there an entity reranking teams as the off-season plays out? And who is projecting the White Sox to lose 100 games in 2026? I know ZIPS did the Sox back in November, but that was pretty much before they made any moves.

I believe that a lot of people here actually dread another 100-loss season, and aren't just performatively complaining about it to burnish their brands. Filling roles adequately so that we don't weather another 7-23 April goes a great deal towards energizing fans, and even "teaching the young players how to win".

COUNTERPOINT: 1. We got rid of Robert because he's always injured and brought back a couple of interesting players with 5+ years of control. His choice of agent also hints at leaving in free agency. If the Sox wanted to get rid of his salary, the easiest way to do that would have been to have not picked up his option in the first place. 2. We are building a sustainable roster. Montgomery, Teel, Quero, Meidroth, Vargas and Baldwin were lineup regulars coming back from last season. Shane Smith and Davis Martin are certain to be in the rotation, and Grant Taylor, Vasil, Leasure and Wikelman Gonzalez return to this year's bullpen. And once the team is creating multiple bullpen arms a year, they should become cromulent, used to restock the farm system. A closer is probably one of the worst ways to tie up big money. 3. In 6 seasons, Robert has won one GG, stolen 40 bases once, and eclipsed 20 HRs once. I believe he is what he's been for the last 2 full seasons - a 2 bWAR/162 games CF who plays great defense, but slumps 3 months, and misses another 2. 4. I agree.