WestEddy

It isn't serious. Just hanging back. Thanks for acknowledging. There's not a lot of news beyond roster moves to get into inane, thread killing back-and-forths over.

You really don't need to speak for me.

Rent free, dude.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

It's not even "defending Getz". It's more pushing back on people posting "Getz sucks" with no nuance or context. It's probably the equivalent of "Cub fan"; people who want to repeat the same canards over and over, and when pressed to even explain themselves they bail with a "you're Chris Getz", or something inane.

1) But there is the management of hit coaching across the organization, as well as fielding. What most fans are looking for is an organizational approach to the offensive side of the game. Not one that forces all hitters to use the same approach, but maybe something that is teaching the use of stats, heat maps, approach to an at-bat, etc, at every level, as well as tweaking mechanics. 2) If I can't "like" a draft that just happened, then I'm assuming you agree that anybody trashing the draft that just happened are silly. From what I've read about this recent draft, I like what Shirley did, and I don't hate the player pool they acquired. If you don't think guys like Mason Adams, Brooks Baldwin, Grant Taylor, George Wolkow, and Jon Cannon are examples of good scouting, then there are no examples of good or bad scouting.

You did just post a Dumb and Dumber clip that I guess is your view of me ignoring another half dozen people engaging in hyperbole over a roster move, or whatever.

And I'll ask you who is saying Getz bears NO responsibility? If you're going to play the game of nailing down my every word, do it to everybody, or butt out.

The chat during and after the draft was ridiculous. Every pick in a weak draft had the regular nay-sayers spouting off the same canards. Yes, one has to learn to ignore the house narrative if one wants to find out what the people who know what they're talking about think.

I find it equally as baffling that people think he bears 100% of the responsibility. He inherited 4 positional players whose contracts dictated they start, and another whose #3 draft pick put a lot of weight on giving him a year to show his promise. Getz entered the winter meetings with one starter in the pitching rotation, and about half a bullpen. It gets bandied about here that his budget was cut, and he did mention a difficulty attracting free agent pitchers here because of the defensive reputation. But that all gets miraculously forgotten when we throw around this 100% responsibility claim. So all of that said, no, I don't think Getz has been knocking it out of the park. I can't tell if he's been doing a truly horrendous job because of the white noise of everybody screaming about every single move. I like the draft. I like some of his trades, not so much on some others. We all yell that we don't want any real prospects to be promoted to the major league team so that Grifol can't ruin them, but then ignore the total offensive collapse of the team, or slow development of rookies on the big team. Getz just fired Grifol and his coach buddies. Win? This team is in a rebuild. Bannister is a win. He's saying the right things about refocusing our international efforts, hiring a new manager and bringing in a "Bannister of hitting". People are simultaneously saying that W-L doesn't matter, but Getz failed horrifically because of W-L. So arguing points in a vacuum may feel like people defending Getz. I'm just defending me getting a chance to see a full year in the life of a GM to make my own decision, and not follow the mob here like a zombie.

This has nothing to do with my post. I did say I liked the bullpen in Spring Training, and called it lockdown. I must be making a salient point, or else you wouldn't feel the need to sling a comment I said 5 months ago, or attribute something I don't recall saying about Nastrini - in order to derail the conversation.

Getz had 4 of 8 positions to upgrade. He was stuck with 3 contracts, and a #3 overall pick. Lets look at each position: C - He replaced Grandal with Maldonado as a sop to Grifol to help with clubhouse issues. Maldonado was a lateral move, but Lee/Maldonado was better than Grandal/Lee as a catching duo. 1B - I'd argue Getz had to give Vaughn a full year to step up. He regressed, both offensively and defensively. 2B - Has has been mentioned, this was a lateral move. Lopez is probably better defensively, worse offensively than Elvis. 3B - Yoan is a great defensive player, got injured 11 games in. Ramos was probably a slight step down, Sosa/Mendick were much worse. It's hard to upgrade from Yoan. SS - DeJong was an obvious upgrade from Anderson. LF - Benintendi regressed. CF - Robert was injured. It's hard to replace his defensive production, even with an injured Luis Robert. RF - Fletcher/Pillar was an upgrade from Colas/Sheets of 2023, defensively. Even Pham was an upgrade. So when you're arguing that Getz failed in his main pursuit, 3 regulars regressed, defensively, one was injured. Of the 4 positions he could improve, Getz improved all 4, defensively. The regression of the 4 holdover positions dragged down the overall team ratings.

But what is it? Did he not develop the relationships, or just shitty at scouting talent? (Or we just can't develop talent that raw...?)

You're welcome, SexAct.

Winker's a left-fielder. They would have needed to plan on benching, cutting or trading Benintendi or Eloy coming into the season to play him. And you have knowledge these players were totally open to signing with the White Sox for the same amount they'd sign elsewhere?

No, I'm waiting to make judgements. The people you were screaming for him to sign were even worse than the ones he did, so I'm confident you have no idea what a competent GM would do.

You still won't answer the question. And all the "bats" the people were screaming for the Sox to sign - Michael A. Taylor, Adam Duvall, Nick Ahmed, Hunter Renfroe - Pham is better than any of them. I await your answer.

Oh, he should have signed all the good players? Great idea!! You're evading the question. So the entire world knew that Robert, Yoan and Eloy would be injured 11 games in. Tell me, what was Getz supposed to do with this knowledge? A) Cut them B) Bench them C) Pay money or prospects to trade them D) Overpay other players to sit on the bench and eventually replace them A, B and C would be ludicrous wastes of value, and I'd love you to tell me all the 4 WAR players who were clamoring to sit on the Sox bench, and watch them lose until somebody got hurt. Oh, you can't give me a list of players who would sign for $2 million dollars and then put up 4 WAR? God, what a shitty GM you would make.

I'm confident you have no idea how long this organization would take to turn around. Again, the people who "knew" this team sucked, and that they would have to rebuild sound like idiots when they pretend to have been fooled by a press conference. If you're comfortable telling the world you're that stupid, have at it. We already knew, though.

Joke's on you for listening to a new hire press conference, and believing all the happy talk. I think it's way sillier to know this team sucked in a bad way, they had to blow it up and rebuild again, then be "shocked" that they blew it up and rebuild. Does this happen to you often? Are you shocked every morning when you go to the bathroom because you thought this bathroom business was taken care of yesterday? I wasn't "shocked" they got hurt. You've even admitted their record would be better if all three didn't go down. I'm not sure what the point is. Again, my question to you is what should Getz have done? DFA all three in the winter? Pay down their contracts or send prospects along to trade them? Bench them? It's a silly strawman to pretend that I was "surprised" that injuries happen.

He was stuck with 3 guys who get injured. They got injured, and their absence added to the horrible start. I don't see two different ways I'm trying to have it. He had to roster Eloy, Yoan and Robert, make them bench pieces, cut them, or trade them. Please tell me how a "competent" GM would have handled that situation, coming in. Now will you own up to the both ways you want to have it, of declaring that Getz "should have known" that all three would be injured at the same time that would magically put players the equal of or better than them when the thing he "should have known" happened?

Then you are a coward. You asked, I answered. Thanks for letting me know I can disregard your man-baby takes, going forward.

Yes, he's done better than "bad". I think we have no idea how well he's done. We won't have any idea at least until the winter meetings, really. He was saddled with 5 positions being written in to the lineup by their contract and draft status. All he could work with was 4 offensive positions, and the pitching staff, under certain budget constraints. We also don't know what feedback he was getting from free agents as far as whether anyone worth anything would sign here. The Sox seemed to have been a last resort, as evidenced by the stories behind the Clevinger and Pham signings. It's probable that guys like Manaea and Montas took less to go to possible competitive situations than play here.

He was screaming that Fedde never should have been signed in the first place, now Fedde's his boy-eeee, and Getz can only mess up his value. LOL.