WestEddy

But that didn't make the trade "bad". They knew what they were getting. They traded accordingly, and the very next season, they had an average major leaguer putting up 2 WAR on their hands. But you called it a horrible trade and rode anyone who made this distinction. You mocked everyone who called it a rebuilding year. You're doing the same thing here. I get it. I'd like Castillo to have thrown 5 complete games here already. He hasn't. They knew they were trading for a project. I believe that was all that was available for anything less than their top tier of prospects.

Do you need somebody to congratulate you on noticing that the Shields trade was a "bad" trade"? Attaboy!! I haven't seen somebody take a victory lap in a while over the Shields trade, but sometimes we all need a validating jog.

Have you gone back and edited the thousands of posts that screamed that Vargas sucked and Getz made a horrible trade to now include this newfound wisdom? Because you never mentioned this in your thousands of posts. I seem to remember your assertion being that Vargas was "bad", would never be "good", and that Getz made a horrible trade because Reinsdorf's cheap. Maybe you can get to this place a little faster for Castillo. They traded for a guy who as recently as last year had good success. They probably see a few changes that may take a series of starts to implement and get working consistently. The Sox pretty much have a playoff spot sewn up with other pitchers who have been as bad as Castillo's 4 of 5 starts. So he has about another 5 starts to right the ship. Frankly, I don't get the notion that a bunch of guys here saw a pitcher who sucked all year, and are now surprised that he's struggling to implement his changes.

Are you saying he didn't throw 204 innings in 2018? When you don't have an argument, you make up things to mock.

And James Shields pulled it back to become a serviceable innings-eater. "The dog ate my homework" is an excuse. "He stopped throwing his change-up and keeps changing arm angles" is a reason.

It's not a poor comparison. The Vargas trade wasn't "bad", then it became "good" when Vargas started hitting. We all knew what the point of that trade was. Post-hype player, work with him to regain his prospect. To say Vargas stunk during 2025 is ludicrous. He put up 1.9 bWAR in his first full MLB season. That's an average major league player. But you're doing just what I'm talking about, pretending a trade was bad because what everybody planned on happened. Is there a contest I don't know about where people who are the fastest to declare a trade bad win something? Because I can't think of another reason why people scream about Getz messing up, not knowing talent, and all that garbage, then dig in and declare they were right all along, even as the object of their wrath is hitting home runs in the All Star game.

Who's ignoring his track record? Just last season he was fine. Seems like you're doing the heavy lifting on the ignoring. They probably saw him get away from what brings him success. The Reds' game was proof of concept. Now they're just working to get him back there consistently. Seems like you need something to focus your anger on, and Castillo is that. For all the people who told us that the Vargas trade sucked, over and over and over and over and over, weird how they don't come back and tell us how wrong they were, over and over and over and over and over. I'd imagine that when Castillo's dominating through the 6th inning of World Series game 2, you'll begrudgingly admit once that the trade wasn't as bad as you thought, then silence.

You just did.

"Waste Gilbert".

I was using your remark as an example for WS23. We keep throwing around that "we gave a guy away for nothing". William Bergola was a "nothing" that we "gave away" Tanner Banks for, but he's a credible shortstop who was hitting .400 in AAA when he went down.

It's completely unserious to judge this trade after 5 starts.

We don't know if it's a bad trade. Was Miguel Vargas a bad trade? You certainly told us it was, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, and you know what? You were wrong each time you did that. Because they didn't trade for a prospect to plug him in and have him bat .400. They wanted a hitting prospect who they could work with. Same with Castillo. They're working with him on pitch selection, probably a few tweaks to his delivery. They're going to make the post-season. Maybe they get him repurposed by then. You screaming at the first 5 games is ridiculous. Keep doing it, I don't care. But that's not an accurate reading of the trade.

"I posted a gif of somebody laughing. Therefore, that invalidates your argument. Tee-hee." Be better.

I'm assuming you're trolling, actually. Senseless? The team's in first place. Their winning pct is better after the TDL than before. Why do you need me to validate your narrative? The team obviously had a plan on how to change his pitch selection. He needs to execute. All the rest is meaningless. I don't care how much money Jerry Reinsdorf pays these guys. I find it's the guys who scream about how cheap JR is that suddenly scream about JR spending money. Y'all scream when he doesn't spend money, then y'all scream when he takes money on. Pick a lane.

They drafted Thome in the slot they traded for, knowing he would give a discount. They applied the surplus to Prosek. People here screamed that Thome was a "nepo pick", just to argue, it seems. Like if a prospect is available at an appropriate slot, giving a discount, the Sox should not select him to pass some mental purity test for the same people who will scream that Getz messed up by not taking Thome when he was available.

4-6 guys in Kannapolis ON UP. Do you understand what that might mean? The top 4 levels of the minor leagues. Oh, but they have to lead the minor leagues in OPS? Do they also have to be named Boston Smith to make it work for you? It's silly to pretend that we had one player in our system who would bring trade interest. I don't understand the mental gymnastics you're performing to trash this trade. Thinking people can agree on what Getz was trying to do. Acquire a pitcher who they could work with and not pay a lot for in prospects. Why would I complain about that? We didn't trade Caleb Bonemer and Carlson to acquire Detmers. That's great.

Because when we want to complain about a trade, the prospects we send out are sure-fire solutions, and future All-Stars, but the prospects we get back are "basically nothing". The White Sox traded Austin Slater to the Yankees for Gage Zeihl. Basically nothing. Gage Zeihl was the guy who went to the Red Sox in the Sandlin/Hicks trade. He wasn't "nothing", he was depth that another team had interest in. Dylan Campbell and Jose Colmenares came back from Philly for Hill. Both interesting bats. Just like Curtis Mead, Boston Smith, and others. Jordan Rich. Jaden Woods was the lefty minor league reliever who came back in the Jacob Gonzalez deal that was panned as trading our future SS to secure a "nepo pick". Oh, Woods is striking out 14.9 per 9 IP in Charlotte, of all places.

Getz has made trades that haven't worked out. I don't think 3 weeks after a trade is the time to judge that a trade is "bad".

Getz has made trades that haven't worked out. I don't think 3 weeks after a trade is the time to judge that a trade is "bad".

Chris Getz's worst trades. Remembering, of course, that your criteria is "I can imagine the players we sent being Hall-of-Famers", and plugging an acquisition into the spot that was intended means a trade was a failure. LOL.

So let me get this straight. Mason Adams, a player who hasn't been good for 2 seasons, is now a "big price" to pay for a guy who "hasn't been good for 2 full seasons"? And Getz is showing he fucked up by using Doyle pretty much the way they were trying to use the guy he replaced, Everson Pereira? Colorado gave away Doyle for nothing. Mason Adams takes on the Braves in Atlanta tomorrow. I hope Adams shoves and positions himself as part of the next Rockies' core. Improving on his adequate 4 innings last time out will be paramount. I think it's off-the-charts great that in two seasons, Getz has created such a backlog of infield talent they're able to trade some away and repurpose the better bats to create a backlog of outfield talent. Oh, the Sox are 13-11 since the TDL. That's a .541 clip, which is better than their .531 pct they held on 8/3. Chris Getz's TDL have them playing better than they were before the TDL.

Well, they already did that with Curtis Mead, Tristan Peters and Miguel Vargas, as far as maxing out their offensive potential. We act like, "Oh, noes, they traded the one guy they could have used to trade for somebody," as if that's the only surprise minor league guy who will come along. I think they have at least 4-6 guys like that from Kannapolis on up who have a similar value to Boston Smith. The TDL is nuts, and it sure sounds like the asking for guys like Detmers was way out there. It is possible Getz wasn't the only suitor for Castillo.

I would think that if they could target a 6th rounder out of somebody else's farm system to teach up and get them hitting 30 minor league HRs, they could do that more than once.

Going out on a limb here, but I don't think this team loses 90 this season.