WestEddy

It's almost like you're not even trying to make sense.

The Crochet trade was a great return. Basing a trade on prospect rankings is silly, Montgomery hasn't played any pro ball before this year to be "ranked". Meidroth is the type of player that won't get ranked and is extremely valuable. Cease wasn't getting a bidding war at the 2023 TDL and his complete 2023 line didn't excite anybody. Please tell me how you know Getz could have gotten a lot better. I also heard that San Diego and St. Louis were going to get loads more back when they traded Cease and Fedde, respectively, and they're both with their teams. St. Louis was even looking to shed payroll, and couldn't. I guess they couldn't do better. I think we all understand the issues Vargas had last year. He just had two hits tonight, one of them clutch in the top of the 9th, so SSS and recency bias, looks like we won that trade.

Ho hum. And where did I say that Getz could be judged by this current lineup? I clearly qualified my statement with "here, I'll play the game you're playing", and then surmised you thought Getz was left a fantastic roster to build from. Once the prospects he's acquired start feeding up onto the parent team, once he gets to start making actual acquisitions of players who could be considered part of a competitive team, that's when you're going to start be be able to judge his work. You're talking about crazy town after you're putting words in my mouth. I'm not defensive. I really don't understand the purpose of misrepresenting what I say, then admonishing me for something I'm not doing.

But that's not the wording you used. You asked when we can admit this is the team he put on the field, which is a different thing. It's a rebuild. They're trying to lose. There are no upper level prospects to develop beyond Sosa and Vargus, and the guys at AAA they're apparently waiting to gain a year on, or something. Are you going to judge Dave Dombrowski on his 119 loss season? Are Al Avila on his 114 loss season? The guy who rebuilt the Astros, lost a ton for 3 years when the Astros became an internet meme? He's conducting a rebuild. So I think it would make sense to judge him by the rebuild when it starts to take shape. Not on the first losing team he puts on the field. It's like you want somebody to build a house, and you're judging him by the way carries a shovel to the demolition on day 1.

When your kids start on their homework right when they get home from school, ask you to check it, do you ridicule them for just doing what other kids are doing? That's a silly metaphor. Yes, kids do get extra credit for not doing drugs. It's borderline abusive to mock them for making great choices when some of those choices are hard to stick to. Tell you what, instead of making silly, failed metaphors, why not just talk about the matter at hand? That vision is unique when you convince an owner who has ignored that non-unique vision for close to 50 years. So, yeah, if you come into a company and upgrade it to be competitive with everybody else, using non-unique visions of good customer service, a good value for a low price, or whatever business ideals you want to use, that does get credit. It's silly to want Getz to invent some method of digging up graves and turning the dead into great baseball players, or some other untried process.

Why do you need me to sum this up? Are you disputing that people around the industry have bought into his vision and have come aboard?

Your question was when can we say that this is the team he assembled. I said now. You can say that anytime you want. I said nothing about judgement. Certainly not after 10 games. In a rebuild year. So I'm not sure how I "seem" to be saying he should be judged on it now. Yes, there were moves that didn't work out. Bailey Horn for Matt Thompson was inconsequential. He's had too many moves that don't matter, that will have to start falling as clear wins. It would have been great if Dominic Fletcher even developed as the strong end of a platoon. He didn't. Here, I'll play your game: You seem to be implying that Getz inherited a very strong roster with an unlimited budget, but he made everybody get hurt or play bad. Why are you defending that notion? Reinsdorf spent when the team was close to competing, which they aren't, right now. Are you saying that Reinsdorf forced Hahn to spend all his money on relievers, and to trade 2 future All-Stars for the right to watch Samardzija suck, then walk away in free agency? When do we get to stop hearing about Rick and Kenny? How about when the albatross players they signed or drafted 1-4 aren't corner pieces of the team anymore? Or maybe we don't have to keep bringing up Rick and Kenny when we stop pretending that Chris Getz ran the entire organization when Kenny was the VP, Rick was the GM, and they both famously staged a tug of war over the direction of the org. I'll happily talk about Getz's bad moves. Trading Semien and Chris Bassit for Samardzija wasn't a bad Chris Getz move. Signing Benintendi to a 5 year contract, then making him suck for his first two years wasn't a bad Chris Getz move. Robert, Yoan and Eloy all getting injured 11 days into the 2024 season wasn't a bad Chris Getz move. Leaving a system with no starting pitching so that Getz had to convert Crochet to starter and sign an iffy Erik Fedde, and look around for other cheap starters wasn't a bad Chris Getz move. No, trading for Corey Julks off the waiver wire didn't add ten wins. Boo Chris Getz!! Conversely, a relief pitcher having 2 rough outings out of his first 5 isn't a bad Chris Getz move. Trying to get your $20M CF to produce so you can trade him, and getting yet another sub-.600 OPS performance from him isn't a bad Chris Getz move.

Why not? He seems to be selling a lot of industry people on his vision.

It's sad when people quote tweet a joke, trying to make a desperate point.

Number of HRs Crochet may ever hit with any MLB team: 0 Number of HRs Montgomery/Teel/Meidroth may ever hit with White Sox: I'd say 100-200 Sox win that trade hands down.

He gets years of runway because he's not even 2 years into this rebuild. Teams don't generally win 100 games in their first year of a rebuild. Look it up.

...Because the White Sox and Cubs both have an equal expectation to make a playoff run this year? You don't even try to make sense. No, Jankowski isn't Aaron Judge. He's AAAA depth, a 4th OF on a bad team. Are you somehow mistaking this year's White Sox team as one of the top teams in the game?

I answer this every time it's asked. Now. Everybody seems to forget Getz was left with a horrible roster, and pretty much zero pitching staff. Oh, and his budget was cut to nothing. A bunch of lesser trades of AAA bullpen arms for AAAA bullpen arms didn't work out. And he has to start having those work out. The Cease trade - the mob loves to acknowledge that JR probably forced that trade in ST to not pay Cease, then pretend that Getz forced JR to force him to make that trade. I don't even care about people criticizing moves. Just at least try to make sense.

All teams are "obsessed" with AAA depth.

So wait. Playing 37 games is beneath mention, but subbing in for about 5 games and starting 4 in a platoon is an indictment? LOL. That's ridiculous.

It's a special level of querulousness to look for minor league signings to be bothered about.

Dude, the house burned down. You're screaming because your shoes are getting dirty walking around in the ash. I'm unsure of what blame you want assigned to him. Blame for his budget getting cut? Blame for having zero starting pitchers to build a team with? Blame for inheriting 3 overpaid slugs who would be injured by game 11? Few of his moves worked out for the 2024 season. I acknowledge that every time you start this whole cycle of pretending the previous 20 conversations ever happened.

Nope, I got the point clearly. Getz was left a smoking crater, and had to rebuild from zero with no budget. Hahn was gifted a World Series winner, and couldn't keep the string going. I think KW was a micro-manager who messed up everything Hahn had lofty dreams of. KW traded Burger because he hated Hostetler. That's a crazy level of dysfunction. Getz has had one off-season and one draft, really.

Sure. Jankowski was on the team for 9 games. How much do you think he's set back the organization? Amaya's the best defensive SS in the upper levels. You're not complaining about things that are really a problem.

KW and Hahn were done. Y'all mock them for the fact that nobody has hired or even interviewed them since. Pick a lane. I've posted lists of the players Getz has developed that resulted in a 2-year run of playoff appearances. Go back and look them up before your dementia eviscerates your ability to navigate the internet.

Rude. Tell me about the glory days of Casper Wells and JB Shuck.

And they should have been undermined. If Getz got JR to move on from the chaos that was KW/Hahn, that's deserving of GM of the Year awards in perpetuity. 2024 was the direct result of KW/Hahn.

The White Sox still have to play their games. They would probably like to put a competitive team on the field. It's been mentioned multiple times that Maton is a LHH, and some RHPs just eat up the RHHs in our lineup. Maton has a little pop, and just as everyone wants to see "what they can do", maybe the Sox would like to see what Maton can do as a lefty bench/DH bat. Sosa had pronounced platoon splits last season. Sitting him against some tough righties is giving him every chance to excel.

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Birmingham proceeded to their league's playoffs on the back of their prospect-laden pitching rotation. That wasn't an accident. For now, we have a top 5 minor league system. I'm not sure what complaining about Sosa's playing time in the majors has to do with that. As we've discussed, there is a high rate of failure for minor league prospects. The key is to not rely on one player to save the major league team. The goal is to keep pumping SSs, CFs, catchers and prospect arms into the organization, so when one inevitably stumbles at a higher level (C. Montgomery), there are multiple options lined up behind him (Baldwin, Meidroth, Gonzalez, Bergolla, Jeral Perez, Caleb Bonemer). Sosa has started 6 of 9 games at 2B, Brooks Baldwin has started the other 3 games. I wouldn't call Baldwin a "veteran". Miguel Vargas has started every game at 3B, Sosa's other position. Again, Vargas isn't a veteran. 2 of the 3 games Sosa hasn't started, Robert and Benintendi were given a rest in the DH spot. Is that last paragraph supposed to make any sense?