SoxBlanco

Good thread. I was thinking about this today. I’m not expecting TLR to be gone, but if he is, I’m not sure who they would turn to. Joe Espada? Sandy Alomar?

Doubtful. But I see your point ?

Let's hope so. Interesting question: Before the offseason, if you had the chance to sign up for an offseason that consisted of hiring TLR after another DUI and also signing Trevor Bauer, would you do it? I think I would take it. Is that selfish of me? Yep, without a doubt. P.S. TLR is a piece of shit.

I’m with you in regards to Cease. I was actually higher on him than most during this past season, and I’d love to see what he could do with a different pitching coach. It’s tough. Part of me says no way we should give up both Cease and Kopech, but another part of me says it’s more likely both become busts than both become stars. So even if only one hits, getting Marquez could be a wash. But then I keep thinking that there’s a chance Kopech is an absolute ace. I’d hate to give up on that possibility. Alright, I’ve convinced myself. Just sign Bauer and don’t give up both of them.

Agreed. I think I would give up Kopech and Cease for Marquez., but I could be convinced otherwise.

Alright, give them Cease, Stiever, and Madrigal. Does that get it done?

What would it take to land Marquez from Colorado? Could we get it done without including Vaughn?

I still love last offseason. Grandal and Keuchel were the biggest pieces, and they were great. That’s why you can’t call the scenario you described as awful without knowing how Bauer performed. If I could sign up for the following offseason/results right now, I would do it in a heartbeat and consider it a great offseason: 1. Sign Bauer and he wins the Cy Young 2. Sign Joc and he’s worse than Nomar was this year 3. Sign Q and he misses the entire year due to injury 4. Sign Colome and he’s a little worse than last year, but still solid as a closer

I think signing Springer would be a waste of resources. We need a SP much more than we need a RF. If we’re going to spend big, then we better be upgrading the rotation before spending big on another position.

If we trade Cease for Marquez, that would mean we basically got Eloy and Marquez for Quintana. And while we're at it, we might as well sign Quintana. Then that would mean we got Eloy and Marquez for renting out Quintana for a couple years.

Agreed. What do you guys think it would take? Stiever and Adolfo?

Definitely a solid offseason. I would sign off on that right now if I could. Nothing spectacular, but I'm not sure I would consider anything spectacular if Bauer isn't involved.

Maybe it’s not a reading issue. Maybe it’s an issue articulating your point. Do you actually believe that if we offered somebody the most money, they would say no, and one of their reasons for saying no would be because they didn’t like how we handled the Machado situation a couple years ago?

The Machado situation is a reason why you might not expect us to land a big free agent. It’s not a reason why a big free agent would choose not to sign here. I believe you are the one who has reading issues.

Who do you have in mind, other than Bauer?

Exactly. I hate this hire, but all that matters is how the players feel and what our offseason will look like. Time will tell.

Thanks for chiming in. Also, I really hope you're right in that this TLR hire means JR will be opening up the checkbook.

@Harold's Leg Lift, need your input here. Also, I'm going to add Bench Coach to this discussion.

Alright, time to move on to our next hire. Who will we hire to be the pitching coach? How about Bench Coach? Harold was all over this. He also hinted that Hahn didn't want TLR but was told he could have his choice as a pitching coach as a sort of "consolation". So who will it be?

I am definitely against hiring TLR, so this isn't meant to be an argument FOR hiring him, but JR had to consider these things we're worried about, right? I can't see a scenario where TLR is hired without this stuff being discussed with TLR and possibly with TA. We're not going to just hire him and then anxiously wait to see how he handles BLM-related issues. The whole kneeling thing HAD to have been discussed, right? Maybe I'm giving JR and the front office too much credit.

Agreed. I have to believe this has been discussed with TA. Perhaps TA even met with TLR.

I’ve always thought his base running got overrated because he’s supposed to be a smart, heady player. But I thought his defense has always been solid. Was his defense not good in college or in the minors?

Is that part of what you've heard? Or are you just guessing that he will spend more if TLR is hired?