SoxBlanco

That Jimmy post is causing so much confusion. All he’s saying is that he doesn’t see any scenario where we end up with both Bauer and Springer. But we are definitely targeting Springer right now.

I'd rather not give up Kopech or Vaughn unless I'm getting somebody like DeGrom back. But Jimmy's post just meant we aren't signing BOTH. We are trying to sign Springer.

Yep. And that's exactly why Stone said he would wait until things played out until commenting. He also knew.

I don't view it anywhere close to "trading the farm", especially without giving up Vaughn, Kopech, Crochet, Dunning, Kelly, Thompson, or Dalquist. Marquez has four years of control left. Wouldn't Marquez and Cease both be free agents in 2025? So we are essentially swapping those two without jeopardizing any amount of control. And to make that upgrade, we have to give up Stiever and Madrigal (Adolfo doesn't appear to be in our future plans). I like Madrigal more than most, but I think we can easily find another 2B. I think we just view Marquez differently. I think he's a lot better than you are giving him credit for, especially when you look at his numbers away from Coors.

Agreed. But I wasn’t sure if you simply weren’t willing to give up that much or if you weren’t willing to give up that much AND you didn’t think it would take that much for Colorado to part ways with Marquez. I was forming an argument as to why I believe it WOULD take that much, and then I realized that might not even make a difference to you, which is why I asked you to clarify. Now I completely understand your viewpoint. I don’t agree, and I probably would pull the trigger on that trade, but I respect your side of it and understand not wanting to give up that much.

So was Boston stupid for giving up Moncada and Kopech for Sale when could have just spent money to sign a pitcher?

That's why I asked you what your argument was. But instead of simply saying that you weren't willing to give up that package, your response was that what the other team wants or does is completely beside the point.

When making a trade, what the other team wants or does is completely relevant. If you aren’t willing to give up the package I listed, then I respect that, and I can understand that. But you can’t talk about “overpaying” without taking into consideration what Colorado is willing to do. An overpay is when you give up more than what it would have taken for the other team to say yes. Let’s say hypothetically that the bare minimum Colorado is willing to accept for Marquez is the exact package I listed. If Colorado is not willing to give up Marquez for less than that, then that’s the cost. You might not like the cost, but that’s what it will cost. An overpay would be giving up Vaughn when you didn’t need to.

What exactly is your argument? Do you think Colorado would trade Marquez for less than the package I listed? Or are you just not comfortable giving up that package for Marquez?

Agreed. What do you guys think we’d have to give up in a Darvish trade?

Obviously that is an overpay for Darvish. It will take more to land Marquez than it will to land Darvish. I think you are underestimating what it will take to get Marquez. Think back to what we got for Quintana. That’s similar to what it will take to land Marquez. I guarantee Colorado will be asking for Vaughn or Kopech. If we could get a deal done without losing either of those two, you have to think about pulling the trigger.

Would a package of Madrigal, Cease, Steiver, and Adolfo be enough to land Marquez? And what would it take to land Darvish? It’s gotta be less than what it would take to get Marquez, considering the money owed and his age, right?

Because it’s a hypothetical. Of course these aren’t the only real life options. The point of the exercise is to see whether you are willing to accept TLR if it means a better team. I would selfishly take option 2, and I wouldn’t hesitate. But I also understand if someone can’t look past the TLR debacle and want nothing to do with him.

After the season, if you could choose one of these offseasons, which would you choose? Keep Renteria, sign Bradley Jr, sign Odorizzi, sign Chafin Hire La Russa, find out he got a second DUI, sign Springer, trade for Marquez without giving up Vaughn, sign Quintana, bring back Colome

Why doesn’t McCann get shit on the way Grandal does when he drops pop ups or gets called for multiple catcher’s interferences?

Even if they are trying to resign McCann, how does that contradict what I said?You said JR is tired of throwing money at free agents and getting nothing in return. Well, they threw money at Grandal and got exactly what they paid for. They also threw money at Kuechel and got more than most people expected.

He threw a bunch of money at two big free agents last year and got a lot in return.

Wow, completely disagree. The burgers are great there. They’re like a delicious version of the Whopper.

Don’t you know that Bauer is a huge Portillos fan? He eats there every time he’s in town to face the Sox or Cubs. So obviously he checks all Portillos related Twitter feeds. The Sox know he’ll read the stuff about Springer and get worried we’ll spend all of our budget. Bauer to the Sox confirmed. Should be done by the end of the weekend. Brilliant move.

Can you give us your opinion on who we are more likely to sign between Bauer and Springer? Obviously signing neither is very possible/probable, but assuming we did sign one of them, who would you put your money on?

Good thread. I was thinking about this today. I’m not expecting TLR to be gone, but if he is, I’m not sure who they would turn to. Joe Espada? Sandy Alomar?

Doubtful. But I see your point ?

Let's hope so. Interesting question: Before the offseason, if you had the chance to sign up for an offseason that consisted of hiring TLR after another DUI and also signing Trevor Bauer, would you do it? I think I would take it. Is that selfish of me? Yep, without a doubt. P.S. TLR is a piece of shit.

I’m with you in regards to Cease. I was actually higher on him than most during this past season, and I’d love to see what he could do with a different pitching coach. It’s tough. Part of me says no way we should give up both Cease and Kopech, but another part of me says it’s more likely both become busts than both become stars. So even if only one hits, getting Marquez could be a wash. But then I keep thinking that there’s a chance Kopech is an absolute ace. I’d hate to give up on that possibility. Alright, I’ve convinced myself. Just sign Bauer and don’t give up both of them.

Agreed. I think I would give up Kopech and Cease for Marquez., but I could be convinced otherwise.