Wisebri224

Last years payroll compared to this year via Sportstrac

181 to 184 million is significant?

A ticket a 2 beers in the outfield:).

It's really smart of the Sox. Maybe if they keep adding promo days and a few more beer days, they will make us forget everything else.

I still think this is a wait on Kimbrel return thing. We are at about $210 million with player benefits, etc and the tax starts at $230. $20 million isn't getting you impact RF and a SP. Have to find someone to take Kimbrel for prospects. With $35 million you can do both and still have a little left for the trade deadline. Just don't expect Jerry to pay one penny in luxury tax. I think that's why our RF problem is not fixed yet. If Kimbrel isn't moved, I don't think Hahn does anything

Agreed here. At this point, if you really want to go after some of the better SP with any control on the team's that want to tank anyway, you are going to have to give up legitimate goods and lots of them. Vaughn, Sheets, multiple of your pitching prospects, maybe even someone like Crotchet, and throw everything in the basket for the next couple of years. Once the rest of these team friendly deals are blowing up in price, this is over. Go for 2022-23. All of the, we'll give you our #6 and #7 prospects from one of the worst systems in baseball for your stud pitcher isn't going to cut it:)

Trade Kimbrel for a bag of balls to dump salary, trade for Manaea, sign Conforto and Tepera or Diekman and it’s on. I still can see all of it but Conforto…..

Yep here is where we are heading. Trade Kimbrel for garbage so the other team takes the money and sign another journeyman RF and SP. preparing for usual disappointment as Jerry seems content winning the division. Hope I’m wrong.

Absolutely. This was totally frustrating, but we are really solid in a whole lot of places. I was just trying to say that all of these teams have holes, ours just looked a lot worse today:)

There always needs to be changes, but you aren't going to be perfect at every position all the time. Vaughn still could be that guy in right, or maybe it's Cespedes or someone else. There will be 2B to be had in FA. Not clueless, but I would say overreacting a tad;). No expert, just looking at other teams and seeing they all have some chinks in the armor.

My takeaway is you throw Gio instead and lose 1-0 or 2-1 and then think about Lynn in game 2 when he sucks in Houston, that's a problem. They threw their best today. We throw our hottest pitcher tomorrow in a place where he has had success. We need 1.

Totally agree and I forgot to quote the post I was referencing. McCullers is their absolute best. He beat us. Tip the cap and win tomorrow and it's even.

The players think they can't beat teams over .500? I missed the quotes that said, "Glad we won the division, maybe next year we can win in the playoffs." Some of you need to drink more or something. Did LaRussa force them to chase balls out of the zone and struggle with breaking stuff? Should he have asked Dusty not to pitch McCullers to make it better? I wouldn't have started Lynn either but losing 1-0 or 10-0 is no different

Good gracious, about 90% of you need to go watch the Bears Sunday and stop watching. Ya'll act like McCullers is some bum that we should throttle. He was on his A game today and kicked our tail. It happens. If it happens for 3 straight games, then gripe about preparation, desire, whatever, but this isn't a one game Wild Card game folks. The two teams that played last night barely scored any runs either. Give em a chance:)

2 minutes ago, maxjusttyped said: The Sox should look at every starting position player on their roster and ask would this guy start for the Astros, Rays, Doders, Giants. etc. Engel and Leury are resounding no's. Same (obliviously) goes for Cesar and he was their plan A plan at 2B for this year and next, which obliviously isn't good enough. This is just not sensible. Take a look at the Giants starting lineup below and tell me who on the Sox you would replace: Are you really saying the Sox can't compete with guys like Wilmer Flores, Donovan Solano, and Lamonte Wade (Giants starters in the past 2 weeks)? Seriously, there are very few teams in MLB that have All Stars 1-9 in their lineup. Would you have taken the Astros CF before today? Jordan Luplow, Manuel Margot, Kevin Kiermaier? Get a grip it is ONE GAME.

You can find average fielding slap hitters. Not generational closers!

Hahn is gonna wait til 1 minute before the deadline then tell Jed he’ll take a pass:)

There’s almost 60 games left and they are 2.5 out of the top seed. They have an easier road than the AL East. I hope they do more. They should do more, but worrying about seeding right now is the least of the issues

I keep hoping that Hahn is working on multiple players from one team. Still not worried with Schoop and Story out there. Lots of relievers too

I know it’s Wednesday but I’m preparing for the “We are adding 3 pieces at the deadline. We just aren’t spending any money……”

I agree with parts of this. Lefty bat with some pop helpful? Yes. Nowhere to really insert except at 2nd? True. Leury is fine defensively long term? No. Adequate offensively? Against bad teams yes as the stats show, but not against playoff caliber teams. We need someone at 2nd that can either upgrade to elite defensively and/or add offensively. Looking ahead to next year, I don't think Sheets has a place, which makes me say if he could be part of a package for a big add like Kimbrel and Tepera or Trea Turner, I'd do that. I see a huge logjam next year with Vaughn/Eloy/Abreu covering almost all of the regular AB's at LF/DH/1B. Sheets would only be seeing AB's a couple times a week. Just my two cents.

I get we fall in love with guys but we have to upgrade at 2B. You have two guys that are 25 and filling holes in well right now. Once we have everyone back next year we have one hole, RF. I would trade either of those guys for Escobar and a RP and one of those guys plus for Frazier. We have OF depth coming in the minors and Burger is blocked. These guys aren’t Kopech, Vaughn, or even Kelley. Go win!

Just the messenger. Anyone see the NBCSN article on trading for Bryant and the price would be Cespedes? Thoughts? I know currently looking at the prospects of not knowing what Jimenez or Robert will be like when they return later this year or next, the idea of trading a OF prospect is scary, but that would be a really nice bat in the lineup for the rest of this year. I still think I would rather have Gallo who can play center, but it may not be the worst option.

Never said we are paying it all. Colorado would need to cover at least 20-25 million. Totally would agree at the 51 million number

I don't think they have to mortgage the future or give up this year. I know it's been mentioned before but why not give Charlie Blackmon a go? He's got about $51 million left through 2023. The Rockies paid about 30% of Arenado's deal and basically got squat back. Blackmon is not as good. If I'm the Sox I say we'll give you a bag of balls and you give us Blackmon and about $20 million and away we go. He plays a decent CF, gives you a lefty bat. I know he's struggled this year but look at the back of the baseball card. I just can't see giving up after 1/6 of the season.