Look at Ray Ray Run

Well, here's to hoping things go well next year. I won't like this off season regardless it seems, but thems the breaks as a Sox fan.

I dont use baseball reference war for pitchers. I use it for position players and I use fWAR for pitchers as its more predictive. I've made that pretty clear nearly every time I've cited the stat. In the 5 years prior he had a 10.8 fWAar not 5.5.

It seems you are. You keep calling a guy with one great year in his career an ace. The rest of his career he's been a nice #3 who certainly wasn't carrying anyone in the playoffs with his 4.8 ERA.

Shelby Miller wants his career back.

Keep kicking that can down the road.

Kill. Me. Now. La russa making calls. Lynn will be trash and Dunning a Cy winner now.

Sky not falling but its not a great move by any means and has far too much risk for where they are currently.

His career high fWAR before the last full rangers season was 3.6. Why are you citing his ERA? Their careers WAR before their cy young seasons were nearly identical. What are you talking about exactly? It's a great comparison. I dont trust cutter longevity at all. Many cases of guys not maintaining it for extended periods.

Lance lynn has thrown 54 post season innings and has a 4.8 ERA, and a 1.6 WHIP. A true post season stopper.

People calling him a bona-fide ace have lost their damn minds. Lance lynn has had one season in his career with an fWAR over 3.6. He had one great year in Texas after finding a cutter. There are a lot of examples of that not sustaining itself. One white sox fans are familiar with is Esteban Loiaza.

Mainly because he's a rental and will be 34 going into next year. One plus is he's pitching for his last contract. I'm also just not a big fan of Lynn. He's a horse though and they needed one. Marquez, Darvish, Snell and Gray had years and youth. I absolutely hate trading a viable MLB asset for a one year rental. Next off season we're literally worse off with an owner who won't spend on pitching. Trying to plug a hole year after year this way just isn't a recipe for success.

Of all the pitchers they were rumored to be in on, this is the worst get of them all.

Cool, and I'm sure dunning will never be that in 6 years and the sox can only win next year... so good point all around.

Lol so this fills no hole and they get Lynn for one year. Just blah.

difference is only 300 million dollars so practically the same thing.

I would take on Heyward's contract if it meant Darvish at very little cost in general. Maybe a Bryce Bush/Stiever package for those two. I think the Cubs are more inclined to shed Heyward and Darvish without demanding much than they are to do that with Bryant. I don't think that happens, but that would explain the Sox willing to spend but maybe not liking any FA's this off-season. This is all completely ludicrous and will not happen though.

Opened this thread excited something might be happening, instead I see a Not Steve Cishek tweet. My goodness. I'm fine with these guys wrong and pointless tweets starting discussions in other threads if people like it, but starting a thread based on their intel just feels like a bit much.

Schwarber stinks. I absolutely hate the justification for signing a lesser hitter just because he hits from one side of the plate. Especially when lefites are the ones who often times are completely worthless vs other lefties.

Lol wuhht? I didnt know Kyle was a ticket broker in his spare time, because that's the only way he could sell tickets anywhere.

So yes, the offer was never legit and never intended to sign the player who told them from day one that his price was 300 million. I honestly have no idea what you can't grasp. I'll bow out though; have a good one.

I explained exactly why the General Manager tried to do that, I even explained what his intentions may have been and even covered the possibility that they were simply naive because they never played at that level of free agency before. The General Manager trying to do that, all while not meeting the demand from the agent that is always met at the top of FA markets, is literally the best evidence we have that the Sox were never making a legit offer for Machado that was required to sign him; in other words, an offer that would outbid all other potential suitors. Machado's agent is the biggest dead beat in professional sports. Discussing reputations while citing Dan Lazano just proves that you are trying to generalize a topic that is incredibly specified to certain individuals - the elite Free Agents and a douche bag like Dan Lazano. The price was 300 million; take it or leave it. We're not looking for friendship benefits.

Point me where I said the Sox made a "fake" offer to Machado.

This is genius; I am envious of your husbandship. If that was me, my wife would have known the price beforehand and set her own market price which no one on Ebay could possibly ever match so I'd be bidding on the item against myself as if I was the Texas Rangers.

We have an incredibly different definition of legit. Rick Hahn knew it wasn't a legit offer that Manny or his agent would sign. That's the entire argument being laid out here. No one is saying the Sox sent Manny a suitcase with 250 million in IOU's. The argument is the legitimacy of an offer is determined by it's closeness to the demand. I am very serious when I offer to buy a 25k car for 18k, but the offer lacks legitimacy because it's not anywhere near the market value for the item.

huh? I wasn't saying you called him a coward. I was mocking the White Sox shock.