Look at Ray Ray Run

I think this is part of it. Guys more willing to spend decent on 1-2 year deals since if either season plays thru that means things had improved financially for the future.

Question with crochet isn't can he succeed in the mlb next year; its can he succeed in the way you want him to in the future.

This is going to be an interesting off-season for a lot of reasons, but this off-season is almost the perfect storm in regards to being terrible for free agents. The CBA is set to expire as is, and COVID is still going to be running into next season. The players have less leverage than they have ever had. I have been thinking about all the things going against free agents this off-season and I think it could be even slower of an off-season than we've had the past couple of seasons. 1. Owners have significant uncertainty heading into next season with COVID still ravaging. Many teams took on substantial losses and will use that as an excuse to not invest at all. The fact that there are even rumblings that a player of Kris Bryant's quality could be non-tendered (he won't be) truly exemplifies the difficulties players face this off-season. Many teams are cutting wages. 2. The CBA is looming and there could be a stoppage. Owners pairing that concern with COVID may get ultra tight with the pocket book. The CBA has a lot to work out, and free agents are better off - probably - trying to extend their FA out a year or two by signing shorter deals. 3. Typically players who wait out the market don't lose any earnings and usually get what they want; this off-season I think we are going to see a flood of early lower signings on 1-2 year deals, but the players looking to get paid are going to be sitting out there for a long time... and unlike years past, if COVID gets worse, and ballparks are looking at closings again and the CBA negotiations go poorly you could see something like 75% of teams sitting out FA almost entirely. This would make me optimistic as a White Sox fan but Reinsdorf very rarely breaks rank and file and if other owners are claiming poor and non-tendering quality players I worry he won't spend. This might be the worst year to be a FA imaginable. People that think Springer signs early; I hope you're right. Springer signing early would be a good sign that the market won't be dead for the entire off-season, but I think we get a bunch of shorter contracts signed relatively quickly - as midlevel to low level guys jump out at offers - and the bigger players are either short-terming their way to high AAV, or they are sitting out there maybe past February.

All of us obsessed with White Sox baseball are suffering from some kind of mental disability. ?

I was responding to ChiSox, no worries; I'm not sure why he took my comment as a shot at the kid. Either way, let's sign Springer and everyone take it easy on Mike. Plenty of non-White Sox fans out there we can shred for fun.

Huh? The guy i tweeted was being critical of the guy and attacking him. I was literally defending the guy. I pointed out that I think he was reading things about Mike wrong and that Mike is just a passionate kid who I think suffers from a disorder/disability or whatever you want to call it. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.

What? I wasnt making fun of the kid at all. I was actually saying people should stop being a dick head to him as I think he suffers from a disability. Seems like a nice enough kid.

And marking retweeted this

I'm like 90% sure chisoxmike is some kind of autistic or learning disabled kid who loves the white sox.

Corbin Burnes is 26, he's never thrown more than 145 innings in a professional season. The last two years he threw 71 innings and 116 innings (not counting the 60 game season); I'm not hitching my rotation to that wagon; durability and proven ability to pitch deep into the season is 90% of a pitchers value when acquiring him IMO, and Burnes has never shown anyone he can throw a lot of innings and hold up and be successful. Again, he's a talented kid and could have a nice career. Eloy Jimenez is damn near guaranteed to be a 40+ HR guy for about 8 years. You don't move a guy with his bat and hitting ability for an unproven 26 year old SP during the middle of a contention window.

And don't get me wrong, Burnes is a nice piece but I'd rather shoot myself in the foot than trade a top tier young hitter who has proven he can succeed for an arm that has 60 successful innings under his belt. There are Corbin Burnes popping up every year; young guys who explode onto the scene and pitch real well; only to succumb to injury, or fall off, or diminished stuff, and on and on. I prefer young pitchers that haven't pitched in the big leagues, and older pitchers with a proven track record of health and success. That middle tier guy who hasn't proven himself but has look great in spots flames out over and over. It's why when I said German Marquez was the 13th ranked starter in baseball over the past three years some didn't believe it. Fact is, most guys aren't even healthy enough to pitch enough innings to earn enough value over three year periods. Durability is so important for a SP.

Well, that's just completely whacko. Not only has Eloy been a better player to-date while being 4 years younger, but he's also controlled for two extra years.

Reality.

Eloy Jimenez is a safe bet to be a damn good big leaguer for a long time. As a 23 year old he had a 141 wRC+. Corbin Burnes has thrown 146 big league innings at 26 years old and has a 4.48 ERA and 3.85 FIP. Prior to the past 60 game season, Corbin had a negative WAR. He had a nice little season last year and he might be a nice arm for a few years. You don't trade a locked up 23 year old hitter who has elite offensive skills for Corbin Burnes.

? The Brewers would drive Burnes here on a bicycle with him riding on the pegs to bring him here.

Who is Chum? Who would you trade for Burnes? If you're moving viable ++ position players from the MLB roster to trade for volatile pitching you will fail 9 out of 10 times.

Ah yeah, the classic "this rotation would dominate baseball for five years" statement. It's not as if one team had: Thor Wheeler DeGrom Matz Harvey And was trash. There is no worse strategy in baseball than going all in on pitching by trading away young and damn good position players. In order to have a long period of sustained success you absolutely MUST develop pitchers in house and fill one or two gaps with FA but no more. You can't spend a big part of your FA money on pitching, and you can't trade serious position player assets for pitchers because pitchers are volatile as can be. Let your 162 guys carry the load, and develop and draft arms internally. This is where the Cubs failed and where the Sox truly can excel.

I mean he says right there that it's significantly understated. I'd guess he owned 10-15% at offset and as I heard he bought out about 5% over time putting him around 20% today. And Theo would be capable of putting up 1%.

Where do you see that? I know he bought out a couple partners, but I didn't think he bought out 15%. I remember hearing his stake was close to 3 million initially, and he bought out about 5% since then.

Anderson will be under projected for his entire career; his game is too unique and unique players skills aren't captured by uniformed projection systems.

This is just no where near the same thing. Reinsdorf owns 40% of the Bulls and 19% of the White Sox, but 19% of an MLB team today would cost over 300 million dollars. When Reinsdorf invested in the team, he put up a small amount of money comparatively but his stake was substantial. Theo could put up, at best, 1% of the cost if he invested 20 million of his 25 million networth. No one is going to give an owner total control after putting up 1% of the investment. Although Jeter put up 25 million to be the head of the Marlins group; although it says he put up 4% which would be equal to roughly 50 million so who knows.

Theo is worth 25 million dollars. Even if he "bought" a team he would merely be the figurehead. No way does 25 million buy him total reign over all decisions and spending budgets.

There is zero % chance Kris Bryant is non-tendered. If he were, the Ricketts should be forced to sell the team. And theo talking about the game changing and etc. Baseballs biggest problem is not that the game has slowed or the ball is juiced or the shift... baseballs biggest problem is that far too many teams and owners are not actually trying to win.

1. The cubs had next to no one locked up beyond their initial deals. 2. Epstein swung and missed repeatedly in free agency 3. Theo hasn't made a good draft pick in about 5 years. 4. The cubs haven't developed a pitcher since theo arrived. The people that annointed the cubs as a future dynasty just completely ignored the fact that they had no sustainable pitching plan.

The goal of baseball isn't to ruin players on other teams. Minor league coaches make very little money. Their teachings do not become proprietary just because a team signed them; I get what you're saying but that's just not how baseball works. Many of these minor league coaches and etc still do private trainings and 1-1 sessions with people.