Look at Ray Ray Run

I'm pretty sure the team only gets a percentage when they're the ones selling the tickets, no? I don't think the team gets percentages of resold (secondary market) tickets. Teams would be double dipping then. I know there was some backlash of teams selling things straight to secondary markets and getting the benefit of the inflated costs without ever allowing people to buy them at retail.

they're not - they're selling tickets. You just can't technically say that.

Yeah, this was my point/take away. The Clubs should just code/classify give-away tickets uniquely, making it easy for stubhub to see if they're being resold. By treating all the tickets the same, it's impossible to police it.

Sure, but he participates in the AAU world and market and he signs players from there, which in turn mean he's not clean; cleaner, possibly. The college basketball landscape is just so trashy and scummy it's impossible to succeed without getting a little dirty.

Problem is those systems don't talk to each other. All they were seeing is that these comp tickets were being used, which to the team is a huge ++ because they're generating revenues within the park that the team wouldn't have had otherwise. If Stubhub and MLB data talked to each other, the Sox would see they were being resold. Also, they weren't the only people selling under market value tickets for a team that was bad; that's how a lot of brokers try to limit their losses - getting whatever they can get for them depending on the markets pricing. The Sox are happy because more people are in the stadium - which was the point of the comp tickets in the first place - and stubhub is happy because they get to ticket fees on all those tickets they sold.

Let's not forget that the only reason Pax/Gar every achieved anything was because they won the lottery - literally - when they had very little chance of doing so. If this team doesn't luck into Derrick Rose, you're looking at 2 decades of basketball hell.

There's no such thing as a "squeaky clean recruiter" in major D1 basketball; I'm not a big fan of judging the character of D1 basketball coaches. It's an industry that naturally doesn't draw the best of human beings.

Moser has always been really animated on the court, but off the court and in practice he's not quite as much of a big mouth. Liked Porter as a person at ISU but thought he failed to get the most out of the athletic talent at the school. He has done a much better job with lesser athletes at Loyola.

Yeah, I could buy that. It's amazing how the Sox pioneered one of the best health driven organizations in MLB baseball, and the Bulls are one of the worst in all of sports. It's amazing they're owned by the same guy given how differently they view the importance. I will never forget this team almost killing Luol Deng and then acting like he did something wrong.

Yes, this is true; they don't even tank correctly... but they still had avenues to contention had they drafted the obvious choice at the time. The Bulls didn't want the risk tied to MPJ as if they were within their contention window or something. Just absurd.

There's nothing wrong with picking 7 if you DO IT RIGHT! I wasn't on this board at the time, but I was livid that the Bulls took WCJ with MPJ on the board. Porter had huge risk - he was coming off a serious back injury and would likely miss his entire rookie season... who cares though? MPJ was the ONLY player on the board with superstar potential and in the NBA, when drafting, that is literally all that matters to a rebuilding team. It's amazing how good the Nuggets are in the draft doing what every team should be doing; Mitchell had the highest offensive upside in the draft... after Fultz and Tatum at the time. Nuggets get him late; then they get a superstar with MPJ without investing anything but one year of rehab. It's inexcusable that the Bulls didn't draft Porter - Porter was the best US player in the draft that year from a ceiling standpoint (Trea was right there as well and I could buy an argument for either one at the time). The Bulls pass on those talents for higher floor/safer players when they desperately need elite level talents to infuse into their roster. If the Bulls had Lavine and MPJ, they're looking at a potential 1-2 that could compete with others.

I love that, but it seems I'm in the minority.

No one is exaggerating. They're awful.

Konerko took less money than was offered elsewhere to remain with the team and organization. Also, who cares? It's their job/career. I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

I agree the bottom half is really bad, but it's been really bad before without the top 6 being as dominant as they've been. I actually think the Bucks might be the favorites to win it all; Lakers obviously right there - I actually like Denver to come out of the west IF MPJ can start taking on 35 minutes a night but they are certainly dogs.

The top 6 teams in the East are better this year than theyve ever been, arguably. I believe this would be the first time in EC history that 6 teams had a winning % north of .630. I dont think you can call the conference terrible or bad given that.

Yeah, I agree with this - I'm not sure what to think of it, as this is what Paddy clearly excels preaches but the execution hasn't been there. Hopefully that'll change. I still think the White Sox feel morally uncomfortable in this market, but that is pure skepticism and coming from no actual knowledge.

So the players don't matter to you at all and are just assets? Glad we could sort that out, and on that note I'll go ahead and concede from this conversation as we share dramatically different views on the enjoyment of being a fan.

Yeah, but if the White Sox win the World Series and Jose Abreu plays a big part, that will be far more enjoyable for me - that he got to experience and contribute to something he dedicated time and effort into - than a revolving door of players that fans gain zero connection with over an extended period of time. You also evaded my question. Would you have enjoyed that moment and memory as much had it been achieved by a revolving door of first baseman over the previous decade?

4 WAR at one position, is far more valuable than 4-5 WAR between two positions. I'll also take the over on Moncada's STEAMER projection assuming health.

So your White Sox memories pertain to the team and not the players? Interesting take. If you replaced Paul Konerko every year with a player of similar production but a different name, you don't think that would have made the 2005 World Series less enjoyable? I absolutely think that it would have. Part of the enjoyment of fanhood is seeing a guy like Konerko dedicate his career to the city and organization, and come up big on the biggest stage in the biggest moment. Would the grand slam have felt as awesome had it been hit by a rotating 1st base piece? I would say no. Part of the joy came from seeing a guy I followed for a decade - a guy whose loyalty, community interaction, and class were second to none - succeed in the biggest moment for a team he did so much for. My memories of the game revolve around player accomplishments, not ownership moves.

And furthermore; If Yoan Mocada, Giolito, Kopech, Anderson, and Luis Robert are 200-300+ million dollar players - with Vaughn and Mad at 100-200+ - then the White Sox are fielding a historically great team.

No, I wouldn't entertain any trade for the 24 year old franchise cornerstone entering the contention window. You realize prospects aren't guaranteed successes, right? The fact that the Sox hit homeruns on all their big trades was as much luck as it was skill/evaluation. That doesn't typically happen. There have been countless stars traded for complete crap over the last 2 decades of baseball.

Yes, the Sox very clearly signed these FA's to deals that were 3-4 years in length knowing that some of the core will be set to be paid at that point. They have a plan to retain. Odds that every player the Sox have becomes a 200+ million dollar star really isn't all that high. If that does happen, then this team won multiple WS or made multiple trips, generating plenty of revenue for the organization to retain those guys.