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Yeah, I'm not sure why people think Snell would net less than Sale. Snell has more control than Sale had, and while Sale had been better more consistently, and he's nearly as good in terms of ceiling and level of performance. Snell would cost a boat load; it would cost a Vaughn/Madrigal/Stiever type package. Moncada was the #1 prospect in baseball and Kopech was the #2 arm prospect.

There are nearly twice as many position players with WAR's > 5 the last decade as pitchers. A position player has held the WAR crown like 20 years in a row. Position players are more valuable than pitchers. Elite pitchers are certainly more rare - at least consistent ones.

7 years 245 million is a lot of money no matter how you look at it. If you think the Sox payroll is going to be 160ish million, that's 21% of their payroll allocated to an arm with a lot of red flags. If you're going to play at the top of the market, you should be paying Cole whatever he wants; not Stras. That's just my opinion.

I'm not sure why you're being critical of another reporter posting information that might not have been accurate.

Except every other team in baseball thought he was worth less than 118 million.

Again, you can't ask the organization to be intelligent and responsible and then ask them to throw 260 million dollars at a guy who is worth about 180 million. They either become a good and smart organization in all facets or they don't. Sox fans are really bipolar. I want them to make intelligent and savvy decisions, supplement their core with effective and talented players, and I don't want them to just spend money and not care about the expected value in return solely to show people they're going to spend. That's how you destroy the future of the team. You don't build up the core for 4 years of complete misery, only to throw all the value you get from your young controllable assets at a SP who has an injury history that would make any doctor cringe. If you want to sign Stras for 7 years 260 just to say the Sox did, go right ahead. It doesn't prove anything. Only winning does.

Cool. Sorry my opinion on the Phillies has had such an impact on your life.

Did you want the Sox to sign Stras for 7 years 260+ million? I certainly didn't want them to do that.

I think people wanting to blame the White Sox for not signing Stras can move on now. The Sox would be complete idiots to sign him for that deal.

Doesn't matter if it's front loaded or not, honestly. The way baseball does the cap distribution, front loading doesn't really help much down the road. I imagine, if anything, the Nats put a 10 year deferral in place at about 5 million per. Maybe less, but I would guess that's the only thing creative they do here.

Deferrals are really important here. If 50 million of this is deferred, it's more like a 7 year, 220 million dollar present day offer.

What does this mean for Cole is the real question? Cole is at least 25% better than Stras over the next 7 years. He should be getting north of 300 million now. Yankees felt all good about their "all-in" Cole offer of 7 years 245 million jajaja

Very good comp, although Felix was at least a bill of great health. Stras may be a better pitcher with lesser stuff, but that stuff is going to fall and it's going to fall quickly.

1. A guy who has had 2 seasons of 200 IP in 8 years. 2. A guy coming off the most substantial work load increase in baseball last year by a wide margin. 3. A guy with chronic injury issues. The only thing I'll say positive about Strasburg aging is that he has shown an ability to pitch without his peak stuff which does matter. That said, this contract will be an absolute abortion in 3 years.

7 years, 245 million. LOL what a disaster of a contract. I'm sure there's a lot of deferred money in there as the Nats love deferred money, but that is still absolutely absurd.

this is the least shocking news of the off-season. I think Stras was -500 to go back to WASH.

No, I think people think the Sox are in on players because they've been incredibly aggressive. I'm not sure how Sox fans can continue to say the Sox are all bluster and no action this off-season. They signed Grandal before any other major signing was made at a very fair valuation. Then they turned around and offered 125 million to Wheeler which was 7 more than anyone else in the league. Baseball thinks the Sox are going to be aggressive, because they have been aggressive and they have told everyone who will listen that they're ready to compete and contend and they're going to spend the money to prove it. I don't know how people can look at this off-season so far, and say "same old White Sox."

I get it, and one of the things that may be the Sox biggest piece of supporting evidence is how much they are spending this off-season. They can likely claim that they were clearly trying to win, and thought this was the best decisions for the organization (keeping him down). I also agree that having a case is different than winning; if Bryant loses his case, none of this matters and it's a moot problem. If Bryant wins though? This opens up a big can of worms.

Dick also said that Hector was way off on the Eloy extension, that's just not true: Héctor Gómez@hgomez27 BREAKING NEWS: The White Sox are close to an agreement with Eloy Jimenez for an 8-year extension that would pay him between 65-70 US$ Million. With Incentives the contract could get to the 75-80 million Range. Source says deal is pending only a Physical.@z101digital @ZDeportes Hector said the deal could reach 100 million; but it ended up closing at 80ish million peak value.

They've been linked to almost everyone at this point; whether real or not, who knows, but they've been rumored as involved with anyone who has a pulse. Also, that's not really a bad thing anyway. They weren't linked to Grandal and boom.

If the Sox bring Kopech up immediately following the deadline, he would have a case regardless of everything being presented in this thread as evidence to the contrary. If he dominates AAA in April, then what? If your argument is innings management, it's going to be more difficult to argue that if he's called up at a very convenient time for the organization.

What are you implying? Everyone around baseball seems to think the Sox are going to continue to make substantial splashes. Do you think that's a league wide fabrication?

This is quite the reach. I'm not sure how it's bad to deny something until it becomes final. That seems like a normal way for the FO to do business.

Yeah, I don't think we know enough of the inner workings of the organization to know what's going on here. If Hahn is given a budgeted amount to spend in FA this winter, and he handles the negotiations, it could be that Jerry won't even hear about a deal until it's at it's final stages. If the organization runs everything through Reinsdorf before submitting any bids, then obviously the story would be a complete fabrication. We don't really know how things work, so it's tough to pass judgement, but that seems like a pretty strong denial from the owner of the team.

Villar is a SS and utility guy, and he was claimed so I'm not sure it's safe to say that because the Orioles are cheap as fuck and want to spend no money that Villar is undervalued by baseball. Villar also isn't exactly a beacon of consistency; he has 5 sub 2 WAR season and 2 3+ WAR seasons. Steamer projects him to be a 1.8 WAR player which isn't something people are writing home about.