Look at Ray Ray Run

Based on the failure of last year and the money invested in their roster. Reds still worry me more than anyone. Both those teams could go 6/130 which would simply be a bad contract.

How did they overplay their hand and how did they "let another team get involved?" Do you think they could force someone to sign?

I mean, if Ryu is going for 3/50 or 3/60, wheeler really doesn't warrant twice as much money. Great teams and organizations stick to their valuations.

Should of seen this coming after the arrogance permeating from the organization about this. They always look like doped when they start getting excited.

Sounds to me like Phillies went to 6. Sox should try to get creative - maybe an opt out after 3 years instead of going to 6. 6 years for a guy with his injury history and for a guy who really relies heavily on throwing 98 mph is pretty risky.

You dont have to be wasteful to win a world series.

This is pure nonsense.

The Jake Peter and the Josh Phegly outrage have been, by far, my two favorite White Sox fan overreaction of the past couple decades

It's not my money and I'm not responsible for the outcome, so as a fan who cares - I just want him. I think Wheeler up at 110 is the tippy top of his market. 125 is just too much past there if I was a GM/owner.

Castillo, Bauer, Wheeler, Gray, Descal would be a heck of a rotation in the NL.

After how much they just spent on bum Moutaskas, they make me nervous. They could be that stupid team that goes to some absurd level for wheeler. 6 years and 125 or so.

8mph difference is really all that matters. Anything between 8-10 is pretty ideal.

The weirdest tweet of the day and of this entire negotiating process for me was "Sox reportedly willing to go to 110" if pressed. What the heck kind of leak is that? Why would the Sox want Wheeler to know they'd go higher lol if they have the highest offer? Only reason it makes any sense - assuming it's not nonsense which is very possible - is that the Sox are trying to chase off other bids? Maybe? That's the only way I see that making any sense.

Sources: Sox offer Wheeler brothers jobs as consultants for the organization.

I think he was a better salesman and hype man than self scouter - it was easy to assume all your prospects were shit when you were the White Sox back then. Either way, it worked for him.

Lol this is what a good brother does for his other brother. Love it. Framing matters. Grandal for life.

Buster worded this oddly because it almost sounds like he's assuming wheeler goes there. A lot of national writers talking about this today leads me to believe that the pre-winter meeting deadline has some serious reality tied to it.

Theres no way Hahn talks through the media this year. Kenny, sure but not Rick. Trade talks come from a lot of different angles.

I see no advantage of the Sox leaking this so I'm just not sure who it is; even though I want to assume Kenny. Probably an agent plant

Couple things on this: 1. Almost all players are a good bit better at home than on the road - I have this analysis somewhere, and I'll try to find it because I don't want to cite wrong numbers. 2. Coors players are actually at a much greater disadvantage on the road than all other hitters/players. Here's a good piece on this: https://www.espn.com/mlb/insider/story/_/id/13227274/does-coors-field-make-rockies-hitters-worse-road-mlb%E2%80%9D 3. Coors hitters should receive a bump in their road production similarly to the decrease they get from their home production. Great hitters who have left Coors have went on to be great hitters elsewhere despite their home/road splits. The Coors effect is greatly exaggerated. If you're great there, you'll be great elsewhere.

done, thanks

show our guy some love!

Yeah, but can they give Wheeler 100 million if he wants to sign before the Winter Meetings and still have the possibility of signing Cole? I don't think so. I think the timing makes it difficult for them to be in on both. Cole won't sign early, so if that's your main target you just have to wait it out and hope.

It does seem weird that the Twins were tied to Ryu just recently - in the past day +.

I imagine the Sox may be getting a bit frustrated as, what appears to be, their offer is being used as leverage to drive bidding up in the media for about two weeks now. This is one risk you take by giving your offer up front. That said, I think it's good news for the Sox... again, because Wheeler has made his desired deadline known and it doesn't appear that anyone has leapfrogged the offer yet, and their offer may have actually chased away some formal offers from other clubs as he exceeded their budget.