Look at Ray Ray Run

Again, you're using STEAMER to project a young player with one year of success under his belt. Steamer greatly weights the past three years of results, and if you can't notice the change that Giolito made that made him a different pitcher, and you want to cite STEAMER and defer to something as an authority at least understand it. If you think every single White Sox starter is going to get worse - despite being young and developing - then sure, you go ahead and use your number. I always find it funny when people say people can't expected improvement from everyone all while citing regression from everyone.

No one should be using a STEAMER projection for Lucas Giolito. If you want to factor in his regression as being a concern, then use ZIPs number. If you think Steamer has a case for gio's regression, I'll take Gio under his 4.35 projected FIP for the max you're willing to take.

I have no idea how you figure this; I guess if you're assessing 3 starters and a BP vs 7 starters and a Bpen you get that outcome. The Sox are in a better position than they were entering last year for the sole reason that they added Cease and he replaced some complete garbage that was out there instead of him.

The White Sox were actually 9th in the AL in fWAR last year for pitching at 12.3. They needed to find about 6 WAR over last year to push this team into the top 6ish of the AL in pitching WAR.

Yeah, my issue is that they cant wait on everyone. Grandal wasnt enough. Even if Jimmy Lambert is the next Corey kluber!

Beat writers seem to be pushing back against the narrative that the White Sox are involved in either; from Fegan's last two pieces, he has implied that the Sox don't see value in these post 30 starters without power stuff and find them to be too risky, and a "forced signing" and not one they would make normally.

I'm with Fegan; encarnacion doesnt make a lot of sense. They have in house pieces for that spot. I'm not sure the Sox are interested in Keuchel or Ryu. Language seems to be shifting towards the White Sox passing. Things don't sound good; hope I'm wrong.

Steamer, in general, is slow to react to younger players who have developed/improved. Its actually why I was a bit surprised by Gios number.

His answer to why was equally as baffling as the action.

Fan is a dickhead. Dont like Boylan and he shouldnt be the coach but theres no need for this.

Gotcha. My bad. Definitely agree. I'll worry about the white sox losing a superstar while being good when it actually happens. Call me crazy but one thing I actually trust this organization to do is take care of the good/great ones.

It doesn't make you a bad person if you want to maximize your earnings to assist in the future stability of generations of your family.

Get a grip on yourself. Jesus Christ.

I don't think so. I think Cease is going to be good, but I don't think him being great dictates the success of the rebuild. If the Sox sign another starter or trade for one (that fits the #1-#2 bill), they'll have 3 guys ahead of Cease that they trust more (Kopech, Gio and FA/Trade target). Lopez and Cease shift back to the bottom of the rotation. They're still important, and if either becomes a complete monster they have a hell of a rotation.

Trades have risk; the fact that they came out of three mega-deals with as many quality players as they did has a lot of luck involved. The more you do that, the more likely you are going to get some lemons. They traded Sale because they were rebuilding. Now their pieces are coming together and you want to start over. It's a dumb idea; if I can put it lightly.

Based on what? It's no where near -3. Detwiler - 70 IP; -.6 Manny - 50 IP; -.4 Ervin - 13 IP; -.4 (This is IMPRESSIVE in 13 innings) Despaigne 13 IP; -.1 Fulmer/Hecton 22 IP; -.15 That's -1.65 5th starter spot is only getting about 165 innings in a year. That's 168 above.

Gio, Reylo, Cease are literally the only starters they have that they can rely on for opening day. Cease and Reylo are still big question marks; obviously both could improve and be very good but they shouldn't be relying on that. Hahn has no interest in overpaying the three guys left, so if their prices don't come down I'm pretty sure the Sox are out and that's actually fine with me.

If the team is unwilling/unable to pay premium free agents then they should trade the ones they were lucky enough to find in the trade market... it's an interesting concept to say the least.

TIL that James Shields has not formally retired. Someone might want to let him know that it's over.

About -1.7 WAR for the season.

Walker, McHugh, Salazar, Wood and Miley are guys I would take ahead of those who have signed from that tier for sure. There are others that would be a toss up that I'd probably take over the current signees as well. Although Salazar is never going back into a rotation.

I think you would catch that was a joke and a slight exaggeration; Covey might have the edge over Rico Garcia lol

Here's a list of starting pitchers still available; the ones who have been bolded are better than Dylan Covey: Name Hyun-Jin Ryu MadisonBumgarner Homer Bailey Ivan Nova Wade Miley Andrew Cashner Jason Vargas Julio Teheran Gio Gonzalez Rich Hill Dallas Keuchel Aaron Sanchez Collin McHugh Robbie Erlin Matt Moore Josh Tomlin Clay Buchholz Chad Bettis Cody Anderson Tommy Milone Jeremy Hellickson Taijuan Walker Tyson Ross Jhoulys Chacín Felix Hernandez Jimmy Nelson Edinson Volquez Marco Estrada Clayton Richard Alex Wood Danny Salazar Kohl Stewart Shelby Miller Steven Wright Rico Garcia Drew Smyly Matt Harvey Wade LeBlanc Jerad Eickhoff Wei-Yin Chen Ervin Santana Ross Detwiler Trevor Cahill Derek Holland Edwin Jackson James Shields

Unless the target was Brett Anderson, the market didn't run out of anything after his signing.

You basically just declared the rebuild dead and suggested they should start all over and trade their elite talent they acquired. I'm not sure I would classify you as "one of the more optimistic posters." In fact, you're less optimistic about this rebuild than Moan4Yoan which is really tough to do.