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Yeah, and they took something away about summer that I loved - enjoying White Sox baseball - for 4+ years under the guise that they had some grand plan. Those stars and scrubs teams could be so frustrating, but Jesus Christ at least they won 85 games, 88 games, 89 games. At least they put a sensible product on the damn field, even if the end result was disappointment. At least in August and September I had something interesting to watch. They hoarded the money, and have zero intention of investing it back into the organization. It was all BS. All the White Sox are going to do is return to the level they were once at, when in reality they should be exceeding that pay level because they just saved over 100 million by doing this rebuild.

ha, I've always been critical when criticism is warranted. The one thing I've learned in my life, and taught everyone who has worked for me, is to under promise and over deliver. It's the easiest premise in life but the White Sox fail to do so miserably every year with it. I'm frustrated because I think 95% of the blame in FA lies at the feet of ownership. As you see with all these big contracts, these are ownership deals. The owners are always in the room and etc. My beef with Hahn is he keeps thinking he's going to talk his boss into this, and he leads fans on. My problem is: 1. The Sox saved a shit ton of money. They haven't run a payroll over 100 million since 2015. This team ran a 121 million dollar payroll in 2007! It's 2019 and they are going to go into a season in which they claimed "was time to start trying" with a payroll under what they ran at 13 years ago. That's embarrassing. 2. Sox fans were told repeatedly they'd be rewarded for their patience. When? As I said, if they wanted to use a stop gap in RF and trust that Gio/Kopech/Cease would be TOR guys and invest their big lump into Mookie or Springer? Fine, but who can possibly believe that will happen? I don't think next year has to be the year - as I pointed out, the Astros missed the playoffs the year after they were wild card - but I just want to see something. I feel like the carrot has been dangled in front of my face so long that it's brown and moldy. 3. Why can't the Sox compete for top of the market guys? That narrative is tired. They have a rich owner - even worse an owner who has gotten rich off the back of the fans he doesn't support - and they have a great TV deal. Also what does that even mean the Sox don't owe me shit? What kind of miserable person goes through life with no expectation for things they invest their time and money into? The Sox don't owe me anything, but I certainly have the right to voice my displeasure with their constant BS. Lastly, these last few years have been miserable man. I know I sound like a spoiled Sox fan because for most of my life I didn't have to watch miserable baseball... but this last decade and specifically these last 4 years have been really hard. I love to go to games and record/watch them all on TV when I get time. This team has been flat out tough to watch. I really don't like the modern rebuild in sports; teams don't even attempt to put MLB talent on the field but they still charge MLB prices and etc. I want to watch teams try to win; I don't like watching teams run out non-MLB talent in hopes of competing one day and I think it's nonsense a lot of the time. These organizations have made hundreds and hundreds of millions with these investments; some even billions. There's no reason a team needs to strip it all the way down and put complete garbage on the field as entertainment for four years. I understand why the Sox did it, and I hope it works, but it's been a really hard and painful 4 years for someone like me who just loves the game. I got a lot of enjoyment out of watching the team compete for 20 years, even if they came up short most of the time. At least there was excitement and hope. Sorry for the long post, this is all just frustrating sometimes.

Here's a hypothetical for you to point out the absurdity of everyone citing this MLB pipeline number. Do you think the Sox would rather have given up Steele Walker or Micker Adolfo?

Um, nothing? Sox like Mazara. Some people really like Mazara some don't. And I love everyone constantly citing mlb pipelines prospect ranking lol.

Well maybe they should shut the fuck up then because they have implied two off seasons in a row that they were going to spend big. Sox just saves hundreds of millions by spending and investing nothing into the mlb team for years. Would be nice for this organization to pay back the fans loyalty and patience for once.

I'm so tired of the Machado money narrative from this front office. They act as if Manny Machado was the only player they were going to sign for 5 years. The way they speak about the machado money cracks me up... Apparently abreu got some of the machado money.. so, they were going to let abreu leave if they signed machado? Doubtful. If the Sox were willing to spend 250 million on one player then their multi year budget had to be like 500 million unless they were committed to investing every dollar they could spend for 5 years on one player. Fact is this team is heading for another sub 120 payroll when 15 years ago they were running payrolls around 130.

what Balta fails to mention in his comment is the Astros missed the playoffs the year after they were the wild card.

I dont think hes a bad GM, I just am pointing out that teams miss on their targets a lot... even teams that feel certain they're going to get a guy.

What has Daniels done exactly?

Except plenty of people around baseball think that was a fair deal. High demand? Give me a break.

Yeah, I'm sure if the White Sox missed out on Machado but signed an arm with an ERA of 4.85 ERA last year fand would forgive them.. oh wait, they kind of did that with Nova. Give me a break. The Rangers have had a miserable off season and their fans are reacting the same as Sox fans last year. I

Jack, you were praising Daniels earlier. Guys had a rough off season. Rangers were as confident in Rendon publically as the Sox were in Manny. Hes 0-2 this off-season and things arent looking up.

Yup, thought 7/250 would get it done. Weird.

7 years, 250 million with some of the manny accelerators honestly probably gets this done.

Rendon going for 7 years - I guess that makes sense for why the Dodgers were likely out. Surprised to see the Rangers out with Sherman reporting nothing close to final but Angels are perceived front runner.

I just through the sale thing out there as an absolute joke because of a random tweet about one exec saying maybe the Red Sox would trade sale but probably not. Nothing about the Sox. Sale is never coming back here.

Yeah, dave tweeted this around 545. If rabbit told him in the morning not sure it would be the same thing.

Rumor came from Olney. Then Dave tweeted look for sox v sox trade. Ftr, I'm not saying that means anything but it does mean more than steve cisheks alter ego.

The only person who knows anything that has tweeted anything is WSD.

None of the people who have tweeted have any idea what is happening. Nothing has been final. Didnt listen to Josh Nelson's podcast but I imagine he moved it up because him and Dan talked about guys who were starting to sign with other teams.

Only thing Kenny squashes are White Sox fans hopes and dreams.

I mean Sale hates the Sox and the Sox hate Sale. Is sales contract really even bad though? Bumgarner is gonna get around the sale guarantee maybe.

No way, pretty sure both sides mutually hate each other lol. I hope I'm wrong though, that would be hilariously awesome. Trade him for Yoan and Kopech. Get him back as a salary dump two years later.

This would be the most amazing thing of all time.

https://www.mlb.com/news/yoan-moncada-tops-2017-midseason-prospect-list-c244152682 edit; this was midseason and moncada was traded pre-season.