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Ryan get is sneaky good because you'll never have to pay him, he has very limited innings on his arm since he was a position player, and you're acquiring his best years with basically no development left to do.

As odd as it sounds, Smith is probably more of a prospect at time of trade than Tatis. I hate trading guys trending up with limited track records because the outcome bars are so wide. While it's true smith could quickly become a nothing burger, he's also yet to show any inkling of struggle in professional baseball.

He hasn't had a good change up in 4 years. The problem isn't even with giving a castillo a whirl, it's that the Sox got beat up on the value side of this trade.

Do you have data on this? Ive havent seen it. Pitchers, in general, have later peaks than position players now but much of that is tied to debut dates, and the fact that pitchers today aren't hitting the innings levels until their mid to late 20s where as position players are being brought up younger than ever. The aging curve itself appears to be starker for pitchers (avg peak periods are shorter), but pitchers who survive the curve have had more sustained success into their late thirties but these guys are the exception to the rule. I dont see this as some statistically significant difference. And Castillo has every sign of aging in an arm. Walks are up, k's are down, contact rates in and out of the zone are way up, and his former strength (righties) has gotten steadily worse 3 years in a row. This doesnt strike me as a guy avoiding the curve.

Also in power pitchers it's usually command that goes first and then velo.

As fathom hinted at, lefties have been killing him and this is the second year of this trend really getting exposed. This is the 3rd year of the trend in general, as he lost the change up when he moved to Seattle and that was his out pitch to lefties. The trend has been getting worse every year, and this year he's seen 40%+ more lefties than righties.

Yes and they have a 380 woba against him

Hope a former cub, so kind of funny.

I'd bet river ryan joins the rotation there in Detroit almost right away.

This sport is so stupid.

He's struck out 13 guys in July and given up 7 home runs.

This is the most confusing part, if the peralta thing is real. Peralta is better than castillo, and owed like 4 million. Framework of trade was around Wolkow and Smith. Values are no where near similar.

Think some people are looking at the name and not the stuff and results. Castillo was moved out of the rotation at one point this year, and he wasn't happy about it. We did Seattle favor, so just odd we had to give up anything.

It's honestly crazy that 5 of the past 7 years Fedde has had a FIP over 5.15 and he's still around. The pitching leprechaun has blessed him and it's been beautiful to watch.

Yeah I don't care the money, he's just not a guy I think you can give a playoff start to at this point in his career and they got a bunch of those guys already. Also think he's in the process of falling off the cliff.

Seattle had to be ecstatic as they needed to clear room as they have two elite arms knocking and they figured he'd be the hardest one to move.

The problem is luis castillo is the next james shields.

From peralta to castillo is wild. What a downgrade. A change of scenery out of Seattle and that park and pitching org to ours?

How is castillo worth anything at his full contract. Guys got negative value. Just weird. He's washed

Id take kirby!

Seems like a mindset thing. I agree though, that was clearly off.

Yandy has zero challenges this year.

I'd just be speculating for the most part, but his arm angle dip probably hasn't helped much given that he's a very very generous 6'0 so it's likely flattened out a fastball that had incredible lift. He's also just struggled to command the slider this year which has killed his fastball as well because even though the slider still has been effective, he's thrown more in the no contest zone so it hasn't played as well off the fastball. His fastball has always outperformed it's grades and sometimes sequencing as a pitcher just works against you a little and you throw your best pitches on strike 0 or 1 instead of strike 2. I'd be willing to bet on a change of scenery though because the guy has been proving everyone wrong since he got into the league and was told he could only make it as a reliever.

I've always been a pretty big Peralta guy. I'd take him for sure. That Mets situation is pretty brutal, and he's certainly had some bad luck with both balls in play and sequencing. The stuff still seems to be there for the most part. At the price above, I think I'd give it a whirl.

Think he's already a real prospect. He's almost a full year under the average age there too so definitely not an old guy.