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That change didnt happen in 2007. They changed their velocity readings at the start of 2017, and by year end it didnt have a positive impact on velocity. It's the same data sets and you misunderstood what you read.

Yes they are. Jack it is amazing how you read something on fangraphs and completely misrepresent what it says. Did they change the point like 12 years in a row? No To say pitchers don't throw harder today than 20 years ago is incredibly wrong Let's see. Bullpens have gotten vastly better and bullpen velocity is absurdly higher. The amount of 100 mph pitches went from like 50 a year to 1000+. This trend grew and grew year over year. Do you see how that chart showed a steady rise?

Cool. Then maybe you can help debunk the fact that pitchers are throwing harder... since you seem to think the recording system change (which had about a .5 mph+ impact on readings early last year) is the reason why the average MLB fastball is up like 3 MPH in 2 decades.

This guy asks for correlation, and baseball slaps him right in the face with increased velocity has led to a dramatic increase in strike outs but he says it's not because people throw harder because players have adjusted. Jack, you're all over the place pal. Increased velocity isn't the only reason, but it is a reason for the increased k rate. Which is why madrigal should be ranked and judged vs his current peers and not vs shoeless joe Jackson and his k rate.

The variables can be different for so many different kinds of players. This is why it's hard to pinpoint any particular skills that correlate. Launch angle hikes arent supposed to be for everyone. If you have lesser power and great speed you shouldn't be trying to lift the ball all day.

I've taken about 20 graduate level math classes - statistics included. Who cares? You've disagreed with me all night and I don't go there because who cares.

I've already explained why theres no correlation between these stats individually and BABIP in another thread. Correlation and causation arent the same thing anyway.

Rates are judged vs league average and not vs other eras.

Uh Jack, it takes an incredibly rare and special player to strike out in professional baseball at a 3% rate. By all accounts with Nick Madrigal he's an intelligent hitter who doesn't chase a lot of pitches out of the zone. Honestly you're just making things up to rip the guy and creating scenarios opposite of his performance so far in his life.

Omg please stop. I surrender.

Jack has found a way to turn not striking out into a bad thing. This is truly amazing. Someone tell Jose Altuve and Michael Brantley to start striking out more! Anthony rendon too. They're doing it all wrong.

Jack, less strike outs has nothing to do with a lower OBP. OBP on strike outs is 0.0000 OBP on non strike outs is higher than 0.00000. That's why striking out less can not hurt your OBP. That is mathz.

What in the shit? Go search the MLb leaders in contact rates. You'll notice a lot of really great players at the top. Nothing says Madrigal swings at a ton of balls.

Barry Bonds struck out 41 times one year and had a .609 OBP. Barry Bonds broke mathz.

Reynaldo Lopez is an enigma.

It's math that striking out less leads to a lower OBP? Say what? You have to have poor plate discipline if you have elite contact skills? Say what again?

How does not striking out come with a low OBP? Maybe if it comes with zero plate discipline but that isn't a problem of madrigals.

On average, there's about 90-100 2.1+ WAR position players every year. Only about 25% of MLB baseball position players are average or better in regards to relation to replacement level.

Yes, it includes the bad picks that happen too. That's kind of the point being made.

Yes, the only way to justify those two picks is if they picked hall of Famers. Jack has said this like 3 times. It's more and more absurd everyday.

It's a promotion. Scouting directors make like $125000 a year to be on the road all year. This board is acting like it's a glory job or something. I view at as like an associate at a law firm. Work an ungodly amount for a few years and if you're good enough you get promoted to partner (aGM or etc) or you move on from them. Especially with a family.

This is where I'm at. Its vastly better than it was before, but it's not where it was in the late 80's and early 90's.

Amazing. And what I take away is that 4 out of 9 years he didn't find a single big leaguer and he was exploiting the draft back then making it much easier to find talent late. Man that 2011 draft before he left for the cubs was incredible though. Thankfully he didnt go to the north side one year earlier.

Yes, it is the most draining job In baseball imo. On the road 95% of the year. It can be brutal.

With Madrigal they did something that has never been done in baseball history. With vaughn they did something that hadn't been done in 2 decades and has only been done like 4 times in MLB history. I just cant agree with you saying these were obvious easy choices.