Look at Ray Ray Run

Yeah the crowd in both videos are great. Talking casually, pitch, oooooo la la.

https://twitter.com/league_carolina/status/1113959015162220548?s=20

Oh, Robert has a SB too.

Robert 3 run homer.

Yes. This is my thought. There isnt a better man in the game to talk to about struggling as a huge prospect out of the gate.

Defensive metrics are volatile. His worst season ever was +6 DRS which is well above average. The two years prior to that which were his last two full years at third were +13 and +14 and he accrued one of those in under 1000 innings. He's already +2 this year. Over the three year sample on Donaldson has had a period near mannys in his career I believe Calling Manny Machado an average 3rd baseman is odd especially since you call him an elite hitter when he's 20% better than league average for his career and defensively he's nearly 100% better than league average.

Yeah he will never ever be Machado defensively but that's fine. His bat and offensive game in general (speed and base running) have a chance to be better than machado.

Yeah I have no idea what this post even means. He graded out as being one of the 5 best ever in regards to his start over there.

He's mediocre at third? He was the best defensive third baseman in baseball by pretty much every metric over his time there. Hes 20% better than league average offensively since he entered the league. That is not elite but it is very good.

I think people need to go back and look a Mannys ops+ and wRC+. Manny is a very good hitter but not elite. Manny is an elite player because he's elite defensively and very good offensively.

Why are you still talking about machado? Move on. Yonder has been a solid add so far and adds to the team. He's a professional

I'm of the "your best hitter should hit 2nd camp" these days.

Why would he hit 3rd when abreu is hitting well and yonder as well? 2 is the perfect spot for him.

This guy. My goodness, this could be a fun year even while losing. Moncada mania.

Yoan Moncada being a star completely changes the offenses dynamic. Long way to go to prove this is real, but the fastest thing to normalize in baseball is k rate. We get another week down the road and he's under 20% you can say with some certainty that he's taken big strides.

They have a lot of these guys too. Also, no way they move out of the top 10 system rankings with Eloys promotion. They will still have 6 top 100ish guys, and they have a lot of guys in the back end that are young and have a chance to really jump. Time will tell.

Herrera and Colome are assets. Their health is more important to this team than wins and losses sadly. That's the truth, whether that bothers people or not is up to them.

Also I feel I presented my disagreements logically and in a way that wasnt stating mine was superior - it was simply my view. The Adolfo arm grade and Cease grade were my only big disagreements and I feel I formulated that view respectfully and reasonably - supporting it with evidence. Adolfo can't go from the best arm in the minor leagues to a 50 FV arm when no one has seen him throw post TJ and plenty of pitchers bounce back fully from TJ. I am of the "read them all and use them all as a tool" camp. I tend to give them more respect and credit than the majority of others because I understand how meticulous their process is.

Where do you see that? Have they traded for a lot of CBB CBA picks recently? I had the top 5 pools as Orioles, Royals, Marlins and White Sox.

Yes but the problem with their Cease assessment is their question mark of him changes every year because he had disproved another. The control but not command thing? Come on. One of their prior concerns of Cease was his control. When he stopped walking people it became command even though he has clearly shown an improvement in the area - which is all you ask of a prospect. Another: they questioned the results he had based on his age because his injuries held him back. So he goes and dominates AA as a slightly younger player. They move on from that. Durability and the ability to pitch an entire season was a prior doubt. He did it, so they moved on from that. Now they are discussing his stuff? He has a 6-7 grade fastball, with a 6 grade quality secondary and a league average 3rd pitch. That is just as much as a guy like Sale entered the league with and having two ++ pitches is more than at least half the starters in the game today. To question his stuff is just questioning to question. Scouts are notoriously stubborn because their opinions need to be concrete as their decisions typically lead to FINAL decisions but they arent scouting for a team anymore and they dont have to stand by their opinion regardless or results anymore. They have questioned 5 things about cease and he disproved 4 of them on the field. He has adapted and grown and shown an ability to adjust. These are qualities of a big league arm. For much of the scouting community, cease is a top 25 prospect. For them, he's a potential long reliever. They are just too far gone with their cease bias and they won't relinquish it until he now disproves them at the mlb level and that shouldnt be how it is. They no longer work for a team which means they no longer need to be as stubborn. Evaluate the kid properly.

Bias? They love Madrigal - my comment was about their overreaction to a one month sample of a kid coming off a broken hand. Cease they have had this view of prior to the Sox acquiring him - at least then, the injury concerns were real and valid. Them continually using his stuff as an example for not surviving as a starter is just laughable to me given the quality of stuff compared to countless MLB players. They literally admit that they are much lower on Gonzalez than many of their peers (if you read the article, they state that themselves).

I don't know; they cite Bush's good spring on the back fields. I'm telling you, they do more homework than most think - certainly more than any other publication.

I know you don't like fangraphs, but saying they don't do their homework just isn't true. They have the most in-depth prospect analysis in the game. I don't always agree with it - when does anyone always agree with a scout? - but I respect the work they put in.

I respect the writers, but I have been adamant that their evaluation of Cease has been stubborn for a couple years.

I've explained ceilings here, but they rarely if ever put a #1 ceiling on anyone in scouting circles. I'm not a fan of that logic, but it is pretty typical. They view a #1 as a top 3ish starter in the game.