Look at Ray Ray Run

Yes, especially given that velocity tends to bounce back about 18 months removed, not 12. Elite velocity requires muscles that were not being used as hard during rehab as they are when he goes to a full throwing program.

Well, they're actually both scouts and one has worked in a smart baseball front office.

One more piece of note, both were low on Gonzalez as an amateur (as they admit) in comparison to their peers and they remain stubborn in their evaluation of him.

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/top-30-prospects-chicago-white-sox/ Decent read but I have the same issues I had last year. Their scouting, while very informative, is far too stubborn and reactionary. Cease is example number one for me. Neither one thought Cease would stick as a starter. Cease showed 2 +++ pitches all of last year and one league average pitch. To continue to hold firm on the assessment that he's a reliever after he dominated a level older than him with elite stuff is just stubborn. "We still aren’t completely convinced, as Cease is still control over command, and may fit best in a multi-inning relief role, or as a starter who doesn’t face any hitters a third time." Scouts are too slow to admit they evaluated someone incorrectly. It's not as if Cease lacks stuff. To say Cease fits best as a multi-inning reliever is simply doubling down on a bad initial evaluation. The Robert part about velocity is odd given his spring performance. Robert didn't struggle catching up to anything, and I personally really like his bat plane. The barrel stays in the zone for a long time, and he gets great extension. His back elbow is usually attached to his body on balls both inside and out. He does have an issue pulling his hands in but a lot of hitters that get great plate coverage away can have that issue - especially early in their career. Hansen shows how reactionary scouting circles can be. He moved up too high after his first season and has fallen too far after last year. He's somewhere in between. He had always been a high risk prospect as his command completely left him in college once already leading to his initial draft tumble. He has great skills but a lot of moving parts. This is nothing new, by the way, as very big pitchers historically take longer to figure it all out as their is more they need to align. I appreciate all their work, but they wrote off Moncada too soon (still citing his big league struggles in that article as a rookie) and they have started with subtle negative Madrigal comments because of a few games last year after being higher on him than anyone. Your opinion on a baseball players ceiling, talents or expectations shouldn't so dramatically based on sss. I understand scouts being naturally cautious but those things stood out to me as stubborn and reactionary. Lastly, the Adolfo arm grade is either the definition of reactionary (to his TJ) or just greatly misinformed. Adolfo had the best right field arm in MiLB prior to the injury. A true 70 grade arm. Putting it at a 50 now solely because of TJ? No chance.

I'm shocked the red Sox havent traded sale for him yet to be honest.

Ron, try to keep up bud. The start means nothing. Just as eloy means nothing and tatis means nothing. I dont participate in sss absurdity.

Why dont people bump this thread with Machado's stats like they do the tatis thread? Weird.

Theo - great rebuilder, not great at sustaining further. Hes so bad in free agency dating back to his Boston days. This happened in Boston too. Good run and then a complete collapse led by horrible free agent signings.

I know this has been said ad nauseam but Trout had a 672 ops his first year in like 170 ABs

It could be worse boys!

Gotcha. My bad. Figured I just misunderstood.

Why would his swing look slow because he drives the ball the other way? He starts his swing later but his swing certainly doesnt look slow. He has elite level bat speed. His swing never looks slow. Maybe I'm just reading what you're saying incorrectly too. He's in between right now. It's a timing issue right now, not a swing velocity issue.

Hmm who knew he brought him in for a ground ball. Bad managers dont have valid reasons for decisions. Bringing covey in to get a ground ball was not a bad reason. *this does not mean Rick is a good manager but questioning this decision is just blah.

If the bad guys are so bad, he'll be pitching in after they blow the 4 run lead. Guys, coaches don't win and lose the vast majority of baseball games. Hitting coaches... jeeze dont even get me started. Next to impactless. If a hitting coach can turn around 1 hitter in a few year period he's worth it. The insistence on blaming coaches on this website is just maddening. Covey was clearly brought in to get a ground ball. It's not as if Rick just spun a wheel. It's not as if he had covey starting the inning..he brought him in for a specific reasons and his plus defensive 2nd baseman dropped an easy line drive. The Sox lost because the bullpen has been terrible. Not because of Rick renteria.

Eloy Jimenez does not lack bat speed.

Its April on a team trying to evaluate players. Your insistence on only pitching 2 relievers - the veterans - because winning is all that matters to you is short sighted and not how a rebuilding team should handle business. They are evaluating guys. Covey sucks, sure but he's on the team transitioning to reliever. He's a GROUND BALL pitcher with a heavy sinker and they neeDed a ground ball. It makes sense. Fact is he pitched the young guys that inning and they sucked. Getting mad at the manager for pitching guys available to him when his two best arms pitched 2 days in a row is crazy imo.

Lol frare threw 97 balls in a row and was lucky they swung.

Really? So you only pitch those guys when leading by a few late? Wont be pitching much I guess if you bring in your shit guys everytime you're down 1 or 2.

And every other reliever was awful also.

Why are people blaming renteria for using the arms in the bullpen lol? Who was he supposed to bring in. I would have probably stuck with fry but every pitcher sucking, once again, isnt the managers fault.

Yolmer is playing the worst baseball of his life. Amazing how bad that was.

Yoan with 2 strike hits left and rivht.

Nova is a quality major league pitcher.

Lol I blame Tim for caring about his kid there. Eloy gonna have to learn to truck through there. He covered the ground.

Worst. Player. In. Baseball.