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In somber unrelated news, RIP Tyler Skaggs. Holy sad.

Oh I understand your view entirely but it's against MLB rules and the CBA and service time manipulation isn't ok with me. MLB already exploits the hell out of their minor league athletes. They already underpay most of them for the first 7 years of their careers (likely their most valuable years) and as noted above the Sox do this to push extensions, but Robert has about 50 million reason to say screw your extension, so in reality we're talking about leaving him down solely to exploit his service time and to get 2027 under team control when the sox can just RESIGN him if he's great. I think Robert is a rare case of being so gifted he honestly has nothing left to learn in the minors.

It is entirely possible that Luis Robert doesn't struggle a day in his MLB life. He may have 2 week shortcomings similar to his AA struggles, but it is entirely within the realm of possibility that he physically dominates the MLB similarly. He is that talented.

It might look something like this: 337/405/613 in the MLB - another young player who K'ed at a 27% rate in AA and walked under 8% as a 20 year old in AA last year. 24.25% isn't even worse than league average.

The excuse used for Eloy - which was also complete BS - was that he needed to work on his defense. At least Eloy had a legit deficiency in his game though - he isn't a good fielder. I'd argue he never will be and nothing has changed from last year to his call-up this year, but Robert is quite literally a 5 tool talent showing all of those talents at a very high level.

What has been explained? My apologies, but someone stating something as a fact with zero supporting evidence is not sufficient evidence for me. I am an analytically driven person that makes decisions based on evidence and not hunches or arbitrary cutoffs that have very little barring on potential outcomes. I have asked you, what does Robert need to work on, and why does AA allow him to do that more effectively than MLB? Once again you are citing service time manipulation which would infer you believe he's ready but he's being held back solely for reasons that go against the CBA. I'm not good with that. I also am uncertain why you act like he would not be on the White Sox at 28 if he comes up today. He would be up for his age 28 season. He may not be here for his age 29 season, but if he's great the Sox should be resigning him anyway. Impatience implies that Robert is not ready for the challenge and is being rushed for reasons unrelated to his development. I believe the entire focus of calling up Robert is to continue his development better than he is developing at AA. If you are arguing he needs to work on his K/BB rates; he will NOT do that at AA as he has absolutely zero reason to change his approach because he is absolutely dominating. Baseball changes frequently happen when you struggle not when you're better than everyone else. Robert is one of the most exciting and talented players in the entire Baseball Universe not just in the MILB but in all of professional baseball. I'm a fan and I want to see the best players now that the rebuild is in it's secondary stages. This isn't the beginning; we have players 2 years ahead of him in terms of team control. Let's get him up here and develop him alongside his future teammates.

I told you I've got one week off and that discussion was planned for another day. That was planned for day 3 while on the golf course discussion, but maybe I'll bump it up a day just for you.

I am getting ready to head on a nice 1 week vacation for America Day, and I read some viewpoints I'd love to discuss further but the thread was locked. Let's try to keep this cordial and hopefully people won't take differing thoughts and opinions personal. This was a response that was reiterated in regards to Robert: "Don't even bother, you'll never convince him that rushing Robert to the big leagues due to lack of patience is pure stupidity." I am genuinely curious... what is "pure stupidity" about bringing up a guy on pace to go 30/50 with a 1000 ops at AA as one of the youngest guys in the league? Do you have any data driving this opinion that he would be "rushed" and that it would harm his development? Because, to the contrary, what we have discovered over the past few years as that age of performance vs average age of the league is a much stronger indicator of a players readiness for the MLB level than total at bats; look no further than baseball's evolving trend of calling guys up younger; look no further than Chris Paddack and Fernando Tatis Jr. There is something to be said about a team bringing up their best players. The discussion I'd love laid out is as follows: When is a player ready and when should he be called up? My opinion is as follows: If you are better than players on the MLB roster currently, and you have greatly outperformed your elder peers at your current level, you are ready for the challenge that is MLB baseball. Look no further than Yoan Moncada for a basis of this... Yoan's development had to take place at the big league level because he was not being physically challenged in the minor leagues and could succeed despite his deficiencies. This is where Robert is to me; he's ready, as is clear by the fact that he's the best player in the minor leagues this year, and the only development he has left is MLB adjustments. Learning how to hit AAAA pitching in run scoring environment that is AAA at this moment is not beneficial to Robert. He needs to see big league arms that can locate their off-speed stuff into the zone he is susceptible. That is the only way he'll ever change. I am genuinely curious as to what is "pure stupidity" about bringing up a player who has outperformed all his minor league peers despite being only 21 years old? Anyone who starts by citing an extra year of control is using an excuse that goes against the MLB rules and regulations and is not fair to the players. Also, the extra year of control when someone have already been brought up is just pointless. Robert needs to be more ready next year than he is this year; the only way that happens is if he plays big league baseball this year. Great athletes sometime age worse than their non-athletic peers in baseball; see BJ Upton as a great example. You should be getting everything out of Robert while he's in his physical peak; that is today. Even if he struggles can anyone really argue against either of the following points? 1. Robert would be our best CF'er today on this team as it is currently constructed. Robert would also be our best RF'er today on this team as it is currently constructed. 2. Robert is much more talented than the people he is playing against. 3. Robert is learning nothing at a level in which he is superior, talent wise, when compared to everyone else. And contrary to the point stated by ChiSox, I love to read information that goes against my predisposed beliefs. If you can present a valid case that doesn't focus on service time manipulation, what is it? I'm all ears. How would putting Robert at the one level that would test and advance his growth hamper him? Thanks, and have a great 4th of July holiday!

He's been the best all around player in MiLB this year. If he's not ready then no one is.

Service time exploitation is complete and utter garbage and is not acting in good faith what-so-ever. Just because players havent been able to prove their case in front of an arbiter because it's really difficult to argue something that is subjective... it doesn't make it OK or correct. What is Robert working on in AA right now? The excuse with Eloy was defense centric. What's the made up nonsense regarding Robert? I'm a White Sox fan. I want to see the best players the White Sox have play for their team. Robert is one of those players.

It's July of their junior summers. It is impossible to tell where anyone will be 5 months from now when these kids are 16 and 17 years old.

Paddy's value is solely tied to his finding the lesser valued or unknown. Wouldnt be shocked at all if he found undervalued guys.

The bat is in the zone so damn long too. Guy has a damn near perfect swing from the right side.

So what. Why is this the rationale everyone keeps using? If he's ready he should play. His development needs to happen at the MLB level at this point. Pushing that off to next year helps no one and hurts them next year.

Soto had 459 career MiLB at bats before his call-up. Acuna 1000. Robert has 550.

Bizarrely enough vaughn is facing a big league arm in his first start.

Robert has been better this year than Acuna and Soto were last year prior to their call ups.

Yeah I just cant help but think the sox have a 4 WAR 22 year old sitting in AA working on nothing.

Watching Ronald Acuna dominate and hit another homer makes me unreasonably angry that Luis Robert hasn't been fast tracked like Acuna.

I know RBI's dont matter in the metric world but the actual damage and counting stats you have achieved matters for All-star selections.

Yeah but they have 5 forwards in the rotation now and the league is going smaller so forward count probably matters more for rotational minutes than PF's. Thad is fine but the Bulls are better off being the worst team in the nba than they are fighting for an 8 seed.

People really underselling the KD injury. Achilles can easily be a career destroyer.

So you dont care about the context that caused the post to be made? Lol ok. Have a good one. I'm gonna head away from your pitty party

It's similar to how someone will post something good about madrigal or yoan and you'll follow up with some comment about tatis or Manny. No, you're point may not be wrong but its unnecessary, adds nothing to the conversation and is merely made to be a negative dunce and talk down other peoples enjoyment and fun. I hope you find some happiness bud.

Someone makes a positive post about Yoan passing Baez in OPS after Cub fans destroyed Yoan endlessly all last year... directly comparing his badness to the greatness that was javy baez. It was a common thing to hear cub fans doing this. In retaliation sox fans had a little fun with the OPS comment on twitter and here... you felt the need to point out that Baez plays SS and that Contreras and Bryant are better... you did this unprovoked because you were upset that a sox fan pointed out something positive and fun about yoan. It's hilarious honestly. You feel the need to defend the cubs and put down the sox... but you're a Sox fan. Truly puzzling stuff. Jerry now pays me to be happy about Yoan being really good and figuring it out quickly. Even more bizarre. Get a hold of yourself.