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Sell high on a young controllable reliever with a 98 mph sinker?

How is it too late to get Greinke? How could Greinke ever classify as an inning eater? He's a top 10 pitcher in baseball who has shown the ability to pitch and succeed at 90 MPH.

Greinke is not going to cost "more than Rutherford" given his contract obligations and the DBacks current position.

I actually think Greinke would be the perfect add. He is one of the few pitchers alive that can be great throwing 89 mph and it's because his understanding of modern technology and it's implementation. Greinke knows how to pitch better than pretty much anyone alive and maybe he could teach young guys that.

It's literally 1000% percent more money so it is, in fact, much different.

So if no one offered him that he would have retired? Come on Jack, you're a smart guy. Your last paragraph is so wrong Jack idk what to tell you. So he was gonna hold out for two more years or sign a 1 year deal and expose himself to risk of injury or depleting skills... he was never worth more than he was worth this offseason. Hes not getting young. He wouldnt take a 1 year deal and push off free agency another year. That's nonsense. If I have a $10 bill and I want to sell it for change because I need change... of 32 people, 28 of them offer me 9.95 because they know I'm desperate. 2 guys offer me $10, one guy $11 because he really hates change and one guy offers $14 because he really hates change and hates $11 man. It wouldnt mean that $11 is no longer a competitive offer... it would simply mean someone was willing to pay even more than 99% of others thought it was worth. A competitive offer would be anything north of what the majority viewed its value as. I should have used the value of a home and not a $10 bill since player values fluctuate based on organization but I'm too lazy to retype it and you get the point.

Yes, and youd be incorrect when it comes to asset valuation. We're not talking about your opinion here jack. The market was set at 250 million, not 300 million. 300 million was the end price but that doesnt mean the only competitive offer was 300 million. In fact, it took competitive offers to push the ceiling north of what the industry viewed his value. In a blind bid process, the market value is set by the culmination of all bids not the peak bid.

So only one major league team offered a competitive offer to an elite talent? Seems like your definition of competitive doesnt equal the widely assessed market value of said asset.

I dont disagree but dont say they didnt make a competitive offer when they had the second best offer sheet on the table by a good bit. That offer, as an example, may have been signed by someone who had already player and worked with the organization. Machado had no season to sign it, but to someone who has roots down and the dollars could be more if things were done in good faith it may have been the best. The sox weren't outbid by the Dodgers, yankees or red Sox which seems to be the fear with robert for some reason.

I dont think you know what the term competitive means in a contract sense. They offered the second most guaranteed money and had escalators to give him the most. That is by definition a competitive offer. The padres off was "better" but it wasnt some well over market offer. Unless you think only one team makes competitive offers to free agents (the team that signs the player) then you're off base here.

Fair enough. I know it would be unprecedented but if this team is good and has good success together, I'd bet on the sox retaing more than less.

Machado wasnt their player and they had the second highest bid on the table. It wasn't exactly a non-competitive offer either.

Says who? Seriously. The Angels could afford trout with their shit contracts around him but the sox cant keep a star?

I think it would be disappointing that a team worth 1.2 billion dollars couldnt retain the best player on the planet? The sox can afford to keep everyone. Stop accepting their nonsensical spin.

If the White Sox offer him the most money - as is always the case with stars and free agency - then they can retain him. The only way the Sox would lose him is if they didn't pay the most.

They used the kids as an excuse stating they had to resign all of them when their contracts expired which was why that couldn't commit the two extra years to Manny. Them blaming the kids was the most outrageous part about that entire process imo.

EXACTLY! That was their entire excuse for not going to 300 and 10 years was they had to give big money to their home grown stars, and yet... here we are... making an excuse and rationalization for not paying those guys what their worth now too. Amazing really.

This is complete and utter team-speak nonsense and BS. This is an excuse to underpay a guy for an additional year because the organization is cheap. Do you think the Yankees or Red Sox think about this stuff if a player is ready? No because if the player is that good they can just resign him.

Sure, but preventing a kid from coming up when he's ready because you want to get cheap 7 years from now for one year is the exact same BS that people rip this organization for. Stop calling it SMART and start holding the organization accountable for spending money. If Robert is a star they already get to exploit his pay for 7 YEARS and pay him less than he's worth.. why should we excuse them from calling him up just so they can pay him under market value one extra year? How about we expect the Sox to pay a guy what he's worth and resign him when his contract is up?

What does being Cuban have to do with his baseball talents? Is there something about being Cuban that limits him? If his floor is Mike Cameron (which I don't disagree on) then they should have zero qualms about signing him. Cameron had 60 career WAR. I think everyone is misunderstanding my point... why do they have to exploit Roberts service time to have him under friendly control one extra year? They can just resign him when he becomes a free agent; it's not as if the Sox have to let him go after his 7 years. They aren't some poor Rays like organization. They can afford to keep their own.

Why does it have to be team friendly. If he's a superstar they should sign him for superstar dollars. They're not poor.

Instead of exploiting his service time to keep him longer why dont you hold ownership accountable and ask them to resign him?

He's as fast as buxton which is insane for a guy his size.

Someone will have to tell me when pal got a negative connotation.