Moan4Yoan

It just seems a little surprising to me that the Sox would spend $200+ million on players this offseason but not try to improve on Renteria and acquire a manager who can both work well with players and has good game strategy savvy. That’s what, another $10 to $12 million for a top manager?

So we got nothing of value for the Swarzak and Soria trades. Both guys (Cordell and Medeiros) are now gone. I remember some posters here saying they would rather have low A ball, high upside prospects in return rather than older prospects and they may have been right.

Maddon did fine with the Rays. Think about that division and who their competition was. And think about how pathetic their payroll was.

Yup. OOPS!!!

So Dombrowski can only win because he spends boatloads of money but Maddon sucks because he couldn’t win with a team that’s had one of the lowest payrolls in baseball? Man, the hypocrisy!

Defends Renteria and calls LaRussa a moron. Your credibility just got sprayed in the toilet like diarrhea after spicy Indian food. By the way, you think only the A’s and Cardinals players were juicing in the steroid era? C’mon...

Reinsdorf essentially chose Hawk the GM over LaRussa the manager. Hawk replaced Roland Hemond as GM and fired assistant GM Dave Dombrowski and manager LaRussa. Hawk then proceeded to last a year as GM. These moves, along with Terry Bevington, Robin Ventura, and now Ricky Renteria... Why do people give the Sox the benefit of the doubt when it comes to team management after this sort of history? Reinsdorf has been in charge the entire time.

Yep. The Sox HAVE hired new managers. They just seem to always pick the wrong ones. This guy was a new manager and he was awful, yet he kept his job for 5 years.

Renteria has managed two teams and four miserable seasons to the tune of a 272–375 lifetime record. He is also 58 years old so he already could be considered an “old manager.” Obviously, lack of success could be dictated by having weak rosters but questionable managerial decisions in games on a frequent basis cannot be. The Cubs immediately cut him loose after only one season once a better manager became available. There was obvious lack of interest in him by teams needing a manager until the Sox came along who are notorious for not wanting to pay much for managers. I guess it could all be a coincidence and none of it is Renteria’s fault. Or it appears there are several key signs that point to Renteria not being valued as a quality manager throughout the MLB, regardless of any of our fan opinions.

Avisail Garcia defensive play? Uhhh...

Big lefty DH types bat cleanup, regardless if they can hit or not. Just like how speedy guys bat leadoff, even if their OBP sucks.

Sure. Ricky has everything they do, except for the lifetime winning record and World Series wins of course.

You act like I’m the only one who thinks Renteria is a poor manager. Many of his moves were shredded on a game-to-game basis on this very site last season. He made questionable moves on a very frequent basis. Regardless of my opinion or anyone else’s, Renteria led the 2014 Cubs to 73 wins and Theo decided to move on from him. Renteria’s replacement went on to win 97 games in 2015 and then 103 games and the World Series in 2016. But I guess that could all be a coincidence. Meanwhile, only the Sox were interested in Renteria as a manager after two season without a job after the Cubs canned him, most likely because he was cheap. Another coincidence I guess? To me, the bar is making the playoffs this year. I would suspect that is Hahn’s bar as well for 2020.

Marcell Ozuna is down to the Cardinals and Rangers. https://www.lonestarball.com/2020/1/8/21057315/mlb-rumors-marcell-ozuna-texas-rangers-st-louis-cardinals-free-agent-cincinnati-reds

In-game management means nothing? Wow.

But this isn’t really the argument. You asked what “Maddon” was available for the Sox to replace Renteria with like the Cubs did when they upgraded from him. I gave you two better options — Maddon himself who you are not a fan of and Girardi who you admitted would be an improvement. Now we are having a runaround discussion defending Renteria by saying that managers don’t impact wins and losses that much, that fans don’t know the inside clubhouse reasons for each move a manager makes (i.e. injuries), and that managers have to also consider players’ egos when making decisions. All managers have to deal with these issues, not just Renteria. All of these factors are true but the simple truth is that Renteria is definitely near the bottom of the list as far as good MLB managers goes and there were at least two better options that the Sox could have replaced him with, this offseason alone.

Amazing deal for Rondon and I wished we had signed him to it. “It'll be a guaranteed one-year, $3 million contract with a club option for 2021, pending a physical exam. Jon Heyman reports that option is for $4 million and can escalate to $5 million depending on games finished in 2020.”

In close games last season that were likely decided by Renteria’s decisions, do you think he made more moves that directly led to losses or wins?

It won’t be a big deal unless the Sox lose the division to the Twins by a couple games or so.

He is turning 29 tomorrow and has walked the world in the minors. It was likely an easy DFA choice for Hahn.

According to Bruuuccceee, the Encarnacion signing should be official soon. https://mobile.twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/1214918553700315141

Uhhh, Maddon WAS available this offseason, as was Girardi. Both would have been improvements on Renteria.

Great post above ^^^ Even worse regarding the Adam Shaheen pick in the 2nd round, George Kittle was selected in the 5th round of the same draft. ??

Once I realized it was a bunch of fake deaths, it lost its shock value for me.

Chuck Garfien was on The Score this morning and he thinks that the Sox will still add an infielder to play 2B until they call up Madrigal. He mentioned Yolmer Sanchez and Brian Dozier.