Controlled Chaos

Stoney just said he has more of a beef with the fact that Blakes slide should have been interference. Since the ump didn't call that, he shouldn't have made the call on OCab. He said if the OCab play was the only one in the game...then fine call interference, but once they set a precedent, by not calling it earlier...he believes the Ocab call shouldn't have been.

FYI and I'm not sure why this is the case and when I asked I didn't really get a straight answer. But if you buy a custom authentic jersey online it's about 20 bucks cheaper then if you buy it in the store. Online custom jersey is 179.95, tax is 16.20, total $196.15(shipping would add another $9.95 so grand total would be $206.10) In Store custom jersey is 199.95, tax is 17.99, total is $217.95

Full quote: Cheney: Well, it obviously brings home, I think for a lot of people, the cost that's involved in the global war on terror in Iraq and Afghanistan. It places a special burden, obviously, on the families. We recognize, I think -- it's a reminder of the extent to which we're blessed with families who have sacrificed as they have. The President carries the biggest burden, obviously; he's the one who has to make the decision to commit young Americans. But we are fortunate to have the group of men and women, the all-volunteer force, who voluntarily put on the uniform and go in harm's way for the rest of us. You wish nobody ever lost their life, but unfortunately it's one of those things that go with living in the world we live in. Sometimes you have to commit military force, and when you do, there are casualties. I don't think Cheney was saying the biggest burden of grief for soldiers' deaths lies with Bush. I think he was saying the burden of responsibility for the war does. I know many see the man as the devil and I'm not too crazy about him either, but I just don't think he was suggesting that the President grieves more than a parent over the loss of their son or daughter. I think it was just him saying the burden of responsibility is the biggest burden.

are these online somewhere yet?

QUOTE(Allsox @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 08:48 PM) I just dunno know why AJ or Ozzie didn't call the damn slider on that count. That thing has some break to it to the other batters and it boggles me as to why he didn't throw it at least twice to Blake. I read in the paper Dotel said he wanted to throw that pitch. "(Blake) is a fastball hitter and I wanted to throw my fastball away,'' Dotel said. "If I did, I thought I would have a chance to get him out. This time it was right in the middle. He wins this time.''

QUOTE(SoxWS05 @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 03:25 PM) It's official, the Royals are in first place. that's about right on opposite day.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 03:07 PM) To summarize what we're learning today -- Masset is an ace and Thome murders lhp. I'm surprised JD hasn't stolen 4 bases and Uribe hasn't taken a walk every pa. You forgot that KC is going to win the division

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 02:53 PM) Anderson should be starting EVERY GAME. Agree with you 100%

nice JD. hey is it ok if I cheer for the sox to keep playing and maybe even win the game in this thread??

f*** yeah!!!

Stone keeps talking about giving extra outs...so I'll take his word that a couple plays should have been made

so did OCab boot an easy DP or what happened?

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 01:38 PM) Classy! thanks!!

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 01:28 PM) Its not different. And that's why its so ironic. I'd label that comment as racist, but I wouldn't extend that to CC as a person. And yet, by CC's own method (and DrunkBomber, and YAS), he would have to label himself as a racist. And for that matter, since I read his posts regularly, by extension, I must be one too! Damn right its a slippery slope. If the only thing I ever heard Wright say was 'Italians looked down their garlic noses' and I deemed him a racist for that...I would say I was the one that was nuts. But it's more than one comment...

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 12:36 PM) I know that? No, I do not. Do you know otherwise? I'd bet the guy probably has said divisive things before. Obama has admitted that is the case, and it makes sense. If I had to guess, that would be my guess - I just prefer not to guess. But my point stands - he is judging Wright, and Obama, as being racists, because of one video. Prove me wrong. Have you or Mr. Drunk or anyone else seen more than a couple of these videos? Heck, have you or they even watched the entire video of that sermon (which I have, in this case), not just the few "highlights"? I ain't gonna argue with you about all this...I've seen your comments on the matter, all I'm saying is you said it was just 'one moment of poor judgement' but there is more than one video...more than one moment of poor judgement in each video, there is also Barack admitting he sat there and listened to this stuff...there is also his connection with Farrakhan, there are also quotes from him in the church's magazine....so I think it's ludicrous for anyone to say this was ONE moment of poor judgement. I have seen enough and read enough to know how pastor Wright looks down his watermelon soaked nose at me and I will judge him and whoever associates themselves with him accordingly.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 12:09 PM) I don't know any more on the subject - that's the point. You act as if seeing one video gives you enough knowledge to label the man and all his followers racists. That is closed-minded in the extreme. Not once have I said Wright isn't a racist or bigoted jerk, because he might be - I don't know. If you want to delude yourself into thinking you can judge everyone based on one moment of poor judgement (or even more amazingly, on one moment of poor judgement by their pastor), then I wish you the best of luck in the dark place the world must be for you. You know very well it wasn't only a one time thing. You may be trying to make Drunk look bad, but you come off as the fool when you make a comment like that.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Mar 31, 2008 -> 09:36 AM) then I am booing the person. boooooooo Funny that you had to be corrected on that. boo to you!!!

Obama’s Former Pastor Getting $1.6M Home in Retirement by FOXNews.com Thursday, March 27, 2008 The four- bedroom, 10,000-plus square foot home that Trinity United Church of Christ is building for Reverend Jeremiah Wright. (FNC Photo) By Jeff Goldblatt This was supposed to be the week that the Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. returned to the pulpit to preach for the first time since his anti-American sermons generated nationwide outrage and drew condemnation from his longtime parishioner, Barack Obama. But, citing security concerns, Wright canceled his speaking engagements in Florida and Texas. A spokeswoman at his former church in Chicago said his schedule is pending. A two-week FOX News investigation, however, has uncovered where Wright will be spending a good deal of his time in retirement, and it is a far cry from the impoverished Chicago streets where the preacher led his ministry for 36 years. FOX News has uncovered documents that indicate Wright is about to move to a 10,340-square-foot, four-bedroom home in suburban Chicago, currently under construction in a gated community. While it is not uncommon for an accomplished clergyman to live in luxury, Wright’s retirement residence is raising some questions. “Some people think deals like this are hypocritical. Jeremiah Wright himself criticizes people from the pulpit for middle classism, for too much materialism,” said Andrew Walsh, Associate Director of the Leonard E. Greenberg Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life with Trinity College in Hartford, Conn. “So he’s entitled to be tweaked here. So the question really is, how unusual is this? Somewhat unusual,” he said. According to documents obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds, Wright purchased two empty lots in Tinley Park, Ill., from Chicago restaurant chain owner Kenny Lewis for $345,000 in 2004. Documents show Wright sold the property to his church, Trinity United, in December 2006, with the proceeds going to a living trust shared with his wife, Ramah. The sale price for the land was just under $308,000, about $40,000 less than Wright’s original purchase two years earlier. Public records of the sale show Trinity initially obtained a $10 million bank loan to purchase the property and build a new house on the land. But further investigation with tax and real estate attorneys showed that the church had actually secured a $1.6 million mortgage for the home purchase, and attached a $10 million line of credit, for reasons unspecified in the paperwork. There is apparently nothing wrong with that, according to non-profit tax expert Jack Siegel of Charity Governance Consulting, who examined public documents FOX News obtained from the Cook County Register of Deeds and the Village of Tinley Park. “At least looking at it from a public document standpoint, there’s clearly not a problem that jumps out or some sort of wrongdoing,” Siegel said. Siegel characterizes the transaction as unusual, however, because of the way Wright sold the property to Trinity and the way the deal was financed, with the attached $10 million line of credit. Because churches are classified as private businesses, Trinity isn’t required to reveal its intended use for the line of credit. Nor, because it’s a non-profit entity, is it required to provide that information to the IRS. A spokesman for ShoreBank, the Chicago-based financial institution that secured mortgages for the loans, said the deals were aboveboard. Wright did not respond to repeated calls for comment, and Trinity United refused to discuss the specifics of the home it is building for him and the way the deal was financed. The church referred FOX News to its denominational headquarters in Cleveland, which provided a statement of support: “It is customary and appropriate in many Christian denominations, including the United Church of Christ, for local churches to offer housing provisions for retiring clergy, especially in cases where pastors have served long-term pastorates. We support efforts by our 5,700 local churches to ensure that retiring pastors and spouses have continuing housing, adequate pension and health care, as an expression of our continuing appreciation for their years of service. Each local UCC congregation is free to honor a retiring pastor in ways it feels most appropriate to address the needs of that clergyperson’s circumstances,” wrote the Rev. J. Bennett Guess, spokesman for UCC’s national office. “This is about how these kinds of churches work,” notes Walsh. “These pastors who made big successful churches are real valuable commodities. Is it morally wrong? Well, Protestants don’t have the idea that their religious leaders should live modestly or aesthetically. We’re not talking Buddhist monks or Catholic priests here. There’s no tradition that says they have to live poor.” Tradition at Trinity United centers on a congregation that’s unashamedly black and unapologetically Christian, according to the church’s website. There are also no apologies from the church for the home it’s building for its former senior pastor, who nurtured a religious empire that grew to have more than 8,000 congregants.

Drive.

I know this thread took it's usual turn to the outfield debate, but how about Swisher leading off? With the make up of this team, I'm perfectly fine with it. In fact, Id be fine with it all year. So yeah he may hit some leadoff homers, but the goal is to score that run. If Swisher hits a homer, then the chance of him scoring is absolute. If Owens is leading off and gets a base knock and then swipes 2nd, there is still a chance he will not score. I know some would rather have a base hit and than have another guy homer him in netting 2 steaks. But I'm fine with Swish hitting the dong first, and then someone else doing some yard work as well. Same amount of runs. If Swisher homers and OCab doubles, it's the same as if Owens is leading off, singles, steals 2nd, and OCab doubles - you just don't have that chance of failing to score that run in the first scenario. As long as Swish has the ability to go 1st to 3rd, and I think he does...then he has enough speed for me at the leadoff spot. I'm sure someone has some stat out there to tell me I'm nuts....but just looking at the make up of this team...with all the big boppers...I think Swish in the 1 hole is fine. Him being on base to score is what's most important and if he does the scoring on his owm....kudos!!

QUOTE(iamshack @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 12:33 PM) Well, unfortunately this has turned into another "trash the organization" thread over the fact that Crede and Uribe are getting the starting nods. But I'm going to try and counter what Steve initially seemed to be saying in this thread, which is "What the hell was/is the plan this offseason?" In order to try and understand what the plan is/was, you've got to look at how the offseason unfolded, as opposed to what the result is now. Excellent Post!

QUOTE(FlaSoxxJim @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 12:00 PM) Yeah, me and the other Viagra-enabled geriatracs are too busy chasing tail on the Tamiami Trail (that's kinda catchy) to post much these days. I was just on Tamiami Trail last week. I saw no tail!!!!!! I saw some at naples beach though.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 10:35 AM) Piss off. I guess I'm not as big of a fan since I didn't decorate my entire house with White Sox newspaper clippings and free giveaways from the game. No you don't have to decorate your house to be a fan. Just as you don't have to have 4 FULL season tickets to be a fan. In fact, I would say all you really need to do is be interested in the team...Which you made a post saying you're not.

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Mar 26, 2008 -> 09:36 AM) I can't remember the last time I was so disinterested in the White Sox. I have yet to watch or listen to a single inning of spring training. Well maybe when they start winning you can jump back on.

QUOTE(lostfan @ Mar 25, 2008 -> 01:11 PM) He said he hadn't heard the Youtube sermons in question, and that he actually didn't find out about them until he started running for president. He tried to avoid talking about the rest as much as he could and limit the damage but that didn't work so he had to acknowledge he's heard Wright say controversial things. What he did not say is "yeah, ok actually I was at that 9-11 sermon." Well he did disinvite the guy to his coming out party...so he had to know of the controversial remarks back then. He did say this before his speech: The statements that Rev. Wright made that are the cause of this controversy were not statements I personally heard him preach while I sat in the pews of Trinity or heard him utter in private conversation. -- Barack Obama, Huffington Post, March 14, 2008 So when he gave his speech March 18th, I wanted to hear if that statement was the truth or not. In his speech he says he heard remarks that could be considered controversial while he sat in church, but he never says what they were. Was he there for the America deliberately spread AIDS among blacks, God damn America, 9-11 was America's chickens coming home to roost, etc... or were they some other remarks. Did he lie in the HuffPost piece? We don't know exactly. He chose his words in the speech just as carefully as he did prior to it. So things aren't clear, but I would think there would have been a specific denial to those specific remarks, if he was able to do so truthfully. The way he did do it, he left himself an out...if for some reason someone is able to prove he was there for the worst comments.