Controlled Chaos

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 12:11 PM) How about Felix Pie, in the trade of disappointing high potential CFs? That dude is twisted...I'll pass.

QUOTE(fathom @ Mar 12, 2008 -> 12:00 PM) Bruce Levine indicated today the Sox are looking to trade Brian Anderson, and the Cubs are actually interested. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.....

So are there some here that are just really against one of these 3 guys being the starter? I mean I have my pick on who I like, but I'm not against one of the others if they are out performing. It seems some here are totally against Owens, Anderson or Quentin regardless how they perform? Is that the case for some of you?

How well does he turn the double play? It's a totally different turn than when playing short. I think that's a big factor. This team just can't afford to give up extra outs and he needs to be proficient at the DP.

QUOTE(BigEdWalsh @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 02:53 PM) If that's not wanted then we need a max. moves setting. I'm playing in a Hockey league right now. The playoffs begin this week and wouldn't you know it, I gotta go up against a guy that picks up a whole new lineup nearly every day. He had over 500 moves for the season. Well if we're taking a vote, I'm against that kinda stuff.

QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 01:33 PM) Also are we all set on rules and other things etc. As you know I will be in Vegas for my bach party this weekend. Is this the kind of league where people will drop a guy - add a guy - drop a guy - add a guy....cause they like need a couple more K's or something??

QUOTE(Jimbo's Drinker @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 02:04 PM) Im going to post the info on main board...first 3 in, win!!! Swisher Sticks is in. I put I'm in, in the main thread, but was never assigned to a league. I figured all spots were full.

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Meh....just a chance for Marriotti to get in his digs against Jerry, Ozzie and the like.

QUOTE(JoeBatterz @ Mar 10, 2008 -> 09:05 AM) Does Rick Morrissey from the Tribune read this board. Sure looks like Controlled Chaos' original post in this thread might have provided some motivation for his article today "Sox may have (computer) chip on their shoulder" I think his motivation, was more about the BP's prediction being in Sunday's paper. It is possible though he the saw Jenks Heat post ,which I thought was brillant...

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Mar 7, 2008 -> 04:02 PM) So as not to get a "smart ass" label, let me be perfectly direct. I think you are completely wrong about this exchange. First, wite's reply isn't "smart ass", at all. He knew that Quentin's only missed significant time with the shoulder injury and asked as plainly as possible how that could be linked to crowding the plate. If Cali only meant that he probably missed a day or two here and there, but wasn't sure, he could have said that in reply, and that would have been the end of it. Second, no, I don't think it's okay to assume something just because it's plausible. I mean, I can imagine that someone might miss time from being often hit by a pitch, but once the statement's been made about someone in particular, it seems reasonable and interesting to ask whether or not it's true. Well, I don't want to keep speaking for either person, Cali or wite, but wite's first comment seemed a bit "smart ass" to me. I could be wrong. I think Cali took it the same way because his response was a bit chippy. I do commend wite for his second comment below. It was spot on and if he just wrote that in the first place, I don't think we're even having this convo.

QUOTE(daa84 @ Mar 7, 2008 -> 02:07 PM) the score is covering the other game today against the dbacks Thanks. I just checked that after I read your post in the other thread....haha I wanted to hear the Garland game, but I wanted to here Stoney as well. Such a tough decision to make so early in the year.

f***...the audio on gameday is only LA.

QUOTE(False Alarm @ Mar 7, 2008 -> 11:20 AM) i don't post much but i'm a regular lurker, and i think it's more an issue of tone. i agree with you generally, but i also agree with cali's sentiment that, basically, a small but vocal minority of peeps on soxtalk are f***ing assholes when they correct (or attempt to correct) other peeps' baseball misconceptions. (and 90% of their posts are correcting other peeps' misconceptions.) the default tone for that minority is sarcasm. often i agree with the arguments of the people being dickheads, but, man, it's exhausting to read. It's tone and it's also respect. There's an inherent lack of respect or just basic manners on message boards compared to real life. I'm not some old fart that gets offended easily either. As santo_dorf stated in his post in this thread...."I didn't realize the internet created OPS and RISP stats. Really a misleading title." Of course, nothing like that was in my title and I never even said that in my post, but for some reason he wanted to make a smart ass comment, so he did. Same with CaliSoxFan's post in a different thread. In a post where the real point was... Let's not be quick to judge and watch it play out, cause it's fun to watch the competition; He mentioned "Quentin seems to be a guy who crowds the plate and gets hurt because of it" That turned into smart ass post #1 from witesoxfan "How do you hurt your shoulder so badly that it needs surgery by crowding the plate?" Which in turn Cali had to respond to and say he never said that. Then smart ass post #2 santo_dorf has to come in and write "Who said that? :unsure:" with CaliSoxFan's quote....which hilariously enough, still doesn't say anything about Quentins shoulder, but CaliSoxFan has to respond to that...then come's smart ass post #3 by Kalapse "He tweaked his hamstring rounding first base last season. Perhaps that was brought on by a HBP. :huh" So you can see why some people just feel it's not worth it to post some things. It's not that they can't handle the BS, it's just many feel...why bother. Yeah CaliSoxFan said Quentin gets hurt from crowding the plate. No he doesn't have exact dates of the injuries or what they were, or if they even truly existed, but is it such a stretch to believe?? Someone who set a minor-league record by getting hit by a pitch 43 times in 2004? I think it's ok for him to assume for his arguements sake, that Quentin most likely missed some time here and there. Just as I think it's ok for me to say "Fans have more info today than GM's did 20 years ago" without polling said GM's. Some here apparently feel I need to do so before writing that, but I don't. I don't mind certain corrections on things...In fact, they're usually pretty enlightening, but there is a right way and a wrong way to do it. Sometimes, there's even a "I can let that one go" way. Not that many people here have ever heard of that. Whatever though, I don't think anyone loses any sleep over any of it...it's just sometimes things aren't necessary. I believe in respecting everyone until they are either your friends, in which case you can f*** around and disrespect them all you want or they are your enemies, in which case your disrespect is justified. I respect everyone on this site. I don't know you all well enough not too. Nobody is saying everyone should have the same opinion; or that we shouldn't criticize Kenny or Ozzie; or that we shouldn't disagree and debate; or that if someone comes in here talking about Uribe being the greatest shortstop to ever play the game, someone shouldn't pull up some stats and say Are you nuckin futs?? We should do all that. Just try to add a little tact to to it. If you're posting directly to someone try to pretend that person is right in front of you. You may walk away and say...that dude doesn't know anything, but you wouldn't go grab a mic and call him out and embarass him in front of everyone. Most people are very respectful in person. The goal isn't to "own" the person you're talking to...sometimes that gets lost and twisted when typing on a keyboard.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Mar 5, 2008 -> 03:11 PM) So there is another myth up in smoke... I didn't even know it was a myth. I heard someone here at work talking about it, so I googled it and posted here to get the opinions of all you peeps.

Does anyone think Rush Limbaugh had anything to do with Clinton winning?

An exercise in discrimination at Harvard By Michael Graham | Tuesday, March 4, 2008 | http://www.bostonherald.com | Op-Ed Photo by AP What can a 19-year-old guy in jogging shorts do at Harvard that a rich Saudi sheik who sponsors terrorism can’t? Get banned from the building. Six times a week, Harvard kicks all the guys out of the Quadrangle Recreational Athletic Center at the request of the Harvard Islamic Society. This is to accommodate those female Muslim students whose faith won’t let them work out in front of men. In the old days, Harvard would have laughed if some Catholic or evangelical mother urged “girls-only” campus workouts in the name of modesty. Today, Harvard happily implements Sharia swim times in the name of Mohammed. At Harvard, that’s called progress. When I asked Harvard spokesman Bob Mitchell about this new Sharia-friendly policy, he denied that they were banning anyone. “No, no,” he told me, “we’re permitting women to work out in an environment that accommodates their religion.” By banning all men from the facility, right? “It’s not ‘banning,’ ” he insisted. “We’re allowing, we’re accommodating people.” The Harvard story, broken by the intrepid staff at Boston University’s Daily Free Press, is sadly par for the liberal campus course. U-Cal Berkeley is working on a joint program with King Abdullah University of Science and Technology in Saudi Arabia, which practices religious and sexual discrimination. The Archbishop (and arch-liberal) of Canterbury has called for Britain to accommodate Sharia law. But despite stiff competition, when it comes to “allowing” anti-Semitism and the promotion of terrorist violence, the over-achievers at Harvard still stand out. When John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt were looking for a place to publish their “beware the Jewish lobby” propaganda, they found willing partners at Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government. And who invited former Iranian president Mohammed Khatemi to speak on the eve of the fifth anniversary of 9/11? Who else? Not only is he a lifelong member of the murderous Khomeini regime, but Khatemi helped create and develop Hezbollah. There are institutes of over-the-road trucking and schools of straight chiropractic that wouldn’t have allowed him on campus. But at Harvard, he’s an honored guest. And then there’s that ultimate FOH (Friend of Harvard) Sheik Al Waleed bin Talal. This Saudi sheik stroked a check for $20 million to promote the study of Islam. Harvard took the check, no questions asked. They didn’t ask, for example, about bin Talal’s gift of nearly $30 million to a fund for the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Knowing their kin will benefit financially is an inducement to young people planning to blow themselves up in Tel Aviv pizza parlors, and Sheik bin Talal made sure the money was there. Nor did they ask about the TV company bin Talal owns, where the watchdog group MEMRI has tracked broadcasts of everything from open calls for martyrdom by children to lessons on the proper methods of wife-beating. For a campus with a Sharia-friendly record like Harvard’s, mandating single-sex pilates is no big deal. It would be nice to think that there were still a few liberals or feminists with the good sense - or sense of decency - to be embarrassed by all this. This is, after all, the same college that sued to keep military recruiters off campus over the issue of gay rights. Perhaps someone in the bin Talal Islamic Studies Program could let Harvard know what the sheik’s pals in Saudi Arabia actually do to gay people. It’s worse than just banning them from the weight room.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 03:21 PM) That's what a good portion of your first post was about which led to most of the following posts being about stats, and when people said things like "I like the internet because it helps me listen to minor league games or get schedules" you said they were missing the point about the internet. I really question your point about fans having more info than GM's 20 years ago, and would like to know how you know that. No, it really wasn't what a good portion of my post was about. It's a good portion of the replies to my post, but I think the point in my article is pretty clear. And I can't say for sure if fans now have more info than GM's did 20 years ago. I didn't go and poll all the GM's from yesteryear to see what they knew and didn't know. I also don't know for sure if the acroynyms in baseball realy do rival that of the US Gov, but I still used the line in my article. I'll just live with the fact that some here got what I wrote and some here didn't.

QUOTE(Disco72 @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 02:46 PM) Well, 90% of the posts missed your original point about the internet and baseball, especially the great point about allowing us to make baseball a job. it somehow got sidetracked into the "stats" argument and the "internet + baseball = bad" argument, neither of which were inherent in the original post. The internet has improved some things, but it clearly has made other parts less enjoyable. All I have to say is Thank You. I surely thought I was going mad.

QUOTE(SnB @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 10:09 AM) Really craving a portillo's burger, like hardcore. And yes, I realize its 10 in the morning. Dude, I had one Saturday and it was the bomb. I never had one from there before...I always get a beef when I go there, but I had a craving for a burger and it's definitely up their with some of the best I've had.

QUOTE(earthshiner @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 10:50 AM) I am convinced that ESPN never heard Eric Young speak before hiring him. Since when do you need to know how to speak to be on tv...see Emmitt Smith

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Mar 1, 2008 -> 04:33 PM) I didn't realize the internet created OPS and RISP stats. Really a misleading title. For historical purposes, OPS was popularized in 1984 by John Thorn and Pete Palmer. Just how popular was the internet in 1984? I didn't realize the title said the internet created OPS and RISP stats. Really a misleading post.

QUOTE(shipps @ Mar 4, 2008 -> 09:02 AM) Good riddance. ditto that.

QUOTE(DrunkBomber @ Mar 3, 2008 -> 07:49 PM) I just got Juno, Into the Wild, I am Legend, No country for old men, There will be blood, Bucket List and Dan in real life on DVD and Im having a hard time watching them because after about the first 15 minutes of any of them I wonder if Ill like another one better... I can't speak for Bucket list or into the wild, but for my money Juno is the best of all the others. NCFOM and TWBB just didnt do a god dam thing for me. I'm glad I was watching them at home for free.