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Eloy ranks 29th this year among DHs in fWAR, Jake Burger 16th. https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=dh&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=0&type=8&season=2023&month=0&season1=2023&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&startdate=&enddate=
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2024 Starting Rotation Discussion
South Side Hit Men replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
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Interesting (and revealing) comments by Grifol...
South Side Hit Men replied to Lip Man 1's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Adults are accountable for themselves. Period. Management is responsible to identify and address. Teammates may occasionally say something, but it’s not their responsibility. The hotheads self proclaimed leaders on this club, Keuchel and Lynn, have been the players with the least accountability during their time here. The Sox need a FO that brings in many good players, not a “clubhouse leader” to save them. -
Mike Trout has nine seasons with a higher fWAR than Eloy’s career 5.4. Eloy is 0.3 ahead of Adam Engel. He is a hyped reserve, should have been traded after 2021.
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2024 Starting Rotation Discussion
South Side Hit Men replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
A team needs a 30 fWAR Position Player and 20 fWAR Pitching Staff, on average, to be a Top 6 team across The MLB. 2023 (58% played = X 1.72 pro-rated) 7.2 Hitters Pro-rated (24%) & Pitchers Pro-rated 10.8 (54%) 2022 15.2 Hitters (51%) & 17.3 Pitchers (87%) 2021 22.9 Hitters (76%) & 27.6 Pitchers (138%) You'll see a motivated Tim Anderson and Yoan Moncada playing for their next contract. If you can get a 2 + fWAR out of both that would be positive seasons, though reasonably under their career peaks. Where they will be taking a hit is pitching which has held them up the prior two seasons with Lucas joining Rodon out the door. They look to be about 9 fWAR short in the pitching staff with 3 starters needed. The likely best way to obtain that with their budget is bring in guys and hope they get lucky on a couple like Cueto last season. 2024 Optimistic Best Case Scenario Projections (Previous fWAR career high) Hitting 20.5 (68%): 4.0 CF Robert (3.7 YTD); 2.5 3B Yoan (5.5); 2.5 SS Anderson (4.6); 2.0 LF Benintendi (4.9); 1.5 Burger (0.9 YTD); 1.5 C Zavala (1.9); 1.5 Jimenez (1.7); 1.0 1B Vaughn (0.2 YTD); 1.0 RF Colas (-0.5 YTD); 1.0 R. Gonzalez (0.0); 1.0 FA Defensive Catcher; 1.0 Reserves Pitching 11.1 + 3 new SPs (56% + new SPs) Rotation 4.5: 3.0 Cease (4.4); 1.5 Kopech (1.7) + SP + SP + SP Bullpen 6.6: 1.8 Hendriks (3.9); 1.0 Santos (1.1 YTD); 1.0 Bummer (1.3); 1.0 Crochet (1.4); 1.0 Graveman (1.1); 0.4 Middleton (0.2 YTD); 0.4 Toussaint (0.4); 0.0 Others. -
I find it amazing the Sox have about the same winning percentage vs. RH and LH starters this deep into the season. Overall 40-55 .421 vs. RHS 29-40 .420 vs. LHS 11-15 .423
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That's good, I didn't know what was going to happen with the LSU 2nd round pick due to his injury status. Hopefully the Sox will have a strong set of prospects emerging from the minor leagues in 26-27 to start the first legitimate competitive window since 2005-2008. Benintendi (sigh) and Robert will be the only contracts on the current roster still in effect.
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2024 Starting Rotation Discussion
South Side Hit Men replied to caulfield12's topic in Pale Hose Talk
Best case scenario for Sox fans is there is a new owner approved by the league within the next 18 months. One bright spot for 2024 will be Tim, Yoan and Eloy will be highly motivated to play hard for their next contract. If Yoan can regain his back health, there could be an interesting 2024 if all three return. -
Top of the White Sox lineup burning down Atlanta this weekend! Andrew Benintendi 7-14, 4 R, 4 RBI Tim Anderson 4-12, 1 BB, 1 RBI Luis Robert Jr. 5-12, 1 HR, 5 RBI
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7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Career White Sox Batting fWAR Leaders: 5.6 Tadahito Iguchi 109th (1,586 PA) 5.5 Jerry Hairston 112th (1,964 PA) 5.4 Eloy Jimenez 113th (1,546 PA) 5.1 Adam Engel 115th (1,540 PA) 4.9 Yasmani Grandal 121st (1,207 PA) 4.7 Todd Frazier 127th (1,001 PA) -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
I'll go to a lot more once Jerry and Hahn are gone. Hopefully this decade. Listen to most games. Had full season tickets for two season, weekend tickets for another, have multiple additional seasons with 15-20 plus games a year. -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Career White Sox Home Run Leaders on 40 Man Roster 97 Tim Anderson 85 Yoan Moncada 83 Eloy Jimenez Fire Rick Hahn. -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Eloy quit on the team and the fans in the stands, and for that among many reasons, I am out. -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
The White Sox announced Eloy left the game with a groin issue. -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Eloy get hurt running out his ground into double play? -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Tim now 4 for 10 post ASB. Dabs on the haters. -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
I'd much prefer Perez at DH than Grandal at this stage. Definitely should DFA him if he's not shipped by the deadline. -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Have a cookie, reiks. Career Tim 18.1 (12.5 since Eloy's 2019 callup) > Eloy 5.5. Tim has had two 4.5 + seasons, Eloy does stupid stuff, gets bonehead injuries like in Spring Training. -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Sox can still feast on LHS. -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Eloy needs to be traded, he is a complete and total bust. White Sox Players better than Eloy by full seasons: https://www.fangraphs.com/players/eloy-jimenez/17484/stats?position=DH/OF 2019 Leury Garcia 1.8 fWAR vs. Eloy 1.3 2021 Nick Madrigal 1.2 vs. Eloy 0.3 2022 Seby Zavala 1.9 vs. Eloy 1.7 2023 YTD Zach Remillard 0.4 vs. Eloy 0.4 -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Well Tim is 3 for 9, a good 2nd half start, but sure lets piss on him until the day he dies. Meanwhile, Eloy doing the worthless Eloy things he has done his entire career here. -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
Tim with a nice start to the second half. -
7/16- White Sox at Braves, 12:35
South Side Hit Men replied to flavum's topic in 2023 Season in Review
When a team brings up a player with some potential like Colas, they shouldn't be pigeonholed into a platoon situation. Sure perhaps give them their rest against the toughest LHPs in the league and slowly break them in against them, but the current situation of Colas only facing RHP, Eloy risking life and limb playing RF against LH Starters, and Sheets another waste of a roster space is yet another poor roster management decision by Hahn and company. White Sox - Dylan Cease RHP 3-3 4.30 ERA, 123 Ks A Benintendi (L) LF T Anderson (R) SS L Robert Jr. (R) CF E Jiménez (R) RF A Vaughn (R) 1B J Burger (R) 3B Y Grandal (S) DH E Andrus (R) 2B S Zavala (R) C Atlanta Braves - Kolby Allard LHP 0-0, 4.22 ERA, 12 Ks R Acuña (R) RF O Albies (S) 2B A Riley (R) 3B M Olson (L) 1B T d'Arnaud (R) C M Ozuna (R) DH M Harris II (L) CF O Arcia (R) SS S Hilliard (L) LF
