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QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 01:53 AM) 1. He didn't do any of the things you mentioned, especially the whole good record with the Sox. .525 is not a good record, it's a record of mediocrity. AND if you look at the big picture (like you said), he's underachieved with some expensive rosters filled with good talent (06, 07, 10, 11). I think the first two things you said in your first point are debatable (to a point), but Ozzie Guillen won big in one season and fell on his face the rest of the time. 2. Why should Ozzie win the battle when he a) has a worse winning percentage than Williams during their stints with the Sox and b) felt like he was entitled to a new deal when he SHOULD have been fired (like you said)? Ozzie wanted out and the only way he was staying is if the Sox fired Kenny. But Ozzie went about that in a bad way by acting like he was entitled while Kenny admitted to his mistakes and was willing to step down. JR's loyal to both of them to a fault, but it's easy to see why JR did what he did. The big picture is this Greg. The Sox won the World Series 6 years ago. My little brother barely knew WTF happened back then and he's in 4th grade already. In the minds of most (including Sox fans), that World Series is on the backburner in terms of relevancy. What people care about is, what have you done for me lately and what can you do for me in the future? The answer for Ozzie is, he hasn't won anything of relevance for the past 3 years given expensive rosters and he looked like he didn't give a rat's ass about this team during most of this season. Kenny Williams didn't change or go "Kenny "The Genius" Williams". Ozzie Guillen did and it was going to get even worse had he stayed. I still say that winning percentage of Ozzie's isn't half bad for a guy learning on the job. Isn't a win percentage over .500 pretty decent for any skipper who has been in a place a while? Do you dispute the fact he is only going to get better? Why did we train him in Chicago to go kick ass the next 20 years of his career somewhere else? Now we in all likelihood bring in a rookie like Sandy/Martinez who is gonna make a big batch of mistakes as he learns how to manage. I realize we agree to disagree. But by the end of this year's playoffs you are going to likely have a new set of managing "bums" who teams want to run out of town. If the Phillies don't win this series? Look out. Manuel will be a bum. If the Rangers don't win ... ouch. Leyland has been ripped in the past for not winning with talent. The Yankees? If they lose??? Ouch again. Girardi will be blasted. I will not blast our new manager as he goes along BTW. I wish him well as I truly believe players for the most part win games. I do hope he realizes that if he doesn't get them to learn how to bunt in preseason, then the bunt is a worthless weapon in games. If the team doesn't show the ability to steal a base in preseason, don't run in games.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 10:32 PM) Greg, two part question here: 1. What is the function of a baseball manager to you? What do you deem to be their level of responsibilty within the organization? 2. What is an acceptable reason to fire any manager? 1.) To get the team ready for the season fundamental wise (yes he failed at that the past two years with our team's s***ting bunting), to make good moves during the games (I think his moves are fine, you guys disagree), to win (he has a damn good record with the Sox). 2.) What he did this year was fireable offense, the team burying itself in April/May. However, even tho he DESERVED to be fired, I think his track record with the Sox earned him a shot to win the battle over KW and see if we could return to greatness under Oz under a new GM. I look at the big picture, which you guys get on me for. Big pix: He already won one WS in Chicago. He's very young. He learned on the job in Chicago (just wait for Alomar/Martinez growing pains, they will be there) and I hate to see Ozzie part II do great things for another franchise. I am convinced he will be one of the greats and I HATE seeing him do it for another team when he learned on the job here in chicago.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 08:00 PM) When did he call for a sac bunt? If you are referring to the Josh Hamilton bunt, he was trying to beat the shift, it wasn't a called sac bunt. Yes that's the play. I didn't see the game, just saw Baseball Tonite where they were mocking the bunt there. They said it was a sac and he really did square up. You may be right but I'm going by the highlights and what the talking heads said.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 02:08 PM) I doubt its Fisk. From what I heard, the sox want a manager who is also fluent in speaking Spanish to help communicate with the latin players. Martinez, LaRussa, Alomar and Pena are all fluent in Spanish. Not sure if that is why Francona isn't high on the sox list, but it might go with it. We don't have to worry about Fisk. No way KW hires a guy who is such a crabby guy. He could quit at any point as he doesn't need the job and he's known as a real prick. No fricking way Kenny goes the way of hiring a guy who could be a problem personality wise. My guess is Alomar or Pena.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 07:27 PM) Nobody wanted Ozzie fired after one bonehead move. They wanted him fired after the 5,000th bonehead move. When Charlie M gets his tally up to 5,000, he'll likely be gone as well. You all got caught up in the messenger and not my question. Do you not agree the Pujols thing was huge (after the fact)?? If that happened to our Sox, don't you agree people would have imploded only on Oz? And like I said if they go on to lose the series our fans would says that was the only reason we lost the series? My point was not so much to only praise Oz believe it or not but to again point out you can point to the manager in any loss. I mean if Lee gets him out, nobody cares, but it failed and our fan base woulda freaked. Also in Game One, down 6 runs or something with a man on first, Ron Washington called for a sac bunt. Nobody knows why. But again, we do that bunt and ... implosion!

I cringed during that stretch when Ozzie was starting to play Omar a lot cause Morel was sucking so badly. I thought Oz would play Oldie the entire rest of the season. Omar is too old. He annoyed me when he played a lot and when he batted second.

So man on third and they don't walk Pujols, lefty pitching. Yes it's Lee, but he's already been hit tonight. Base hit by Albert, winning run scores. So do you all want Manuel fired after what he's done? My point? Folks, all managers make bonehead moves. The players have to bail them out. If they don't, they are bums. You guys would FRY OZZIE for not walking Pujols in that situation. If we lost the series you'd be saying: "All the momentum was lost when Ozzie didn't walk Pujols." And what if New York loses to Detroit? Their fans will be livid? Hey it's 1-1. Leyland was a bum the seasons Minnie kept winning the division. What has the Angels' manager done lately? What happened to Clint Hurdle after being the first half darling? They sucked the second half. It's about the players, baby, not the manager!

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 02:17 AM) It's easy cause its f***ing stupid. I don't feel bad for 1 second if a person who's made millions lost it all because of their own stupidity. Living within your means applies to those making 35k or 3.5mil Well isn't that compassionate of u?

I don't mean to flame, but why would a hot prospect like Martinez pick Chicago when he's got KW as GM and Dunn/Rios/Peavy problem hamering the ability to acquire guys who can uh, play the game? Why wouldn't good managers wait for a better situation? Sox job isn't really attractive with KW supplying the players IMO.

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 10:14 PM) Not sure where to put this, so I'll put it here: Beerleaguer The 2011 White Sox in beer Because a legitimate season review of the White Sox would be frustrating. Beer This is a pretty simple exercise. Each player's 2011 season is represented by a beer, good or bad. Think my taste in beer sucks? Drop me a line in the comments with a suggestion, or send it to me on Twitter or Facebook. Juan Pierre: Coors Light I feel like I should hate it out of principle, but if you drink it fast, it's actually not so terrible. But that doesn't make me want another one. Phil Humber: O'Fallon Pumpkin Ale It's really good at the start, but it gets a little rough toward the end. Still, when you're done drinking it, you're really glad you did. Gordon Beckham: Blue Moon Every time I drink it, I have high expectations, but am always disappointed. Paul Konerko: Goose Island Matilda The best beer there is. Alexei Ramirez: Three Floyds Gumballhead A similarly great beer, although it doesn't get the national attention it deserves. Jake Peavy: BrewDog Sink the Bismarck It's super expensive and you're probably going to get hurt drinking it. Alejandro De Aza: Goose Island Green Line Pale Ale A fantastic beer you wish you saw more often, like in stores. AJ Pierzynski: Sam Adams Boston Lager Overrated, but hardly terrible. Sergio Santos: Goose Island Demolition A very good beer, but they only sell it in 650 ml bottles, so trying to drink the whole thing means you're going to be really tired and struggle to finish the end of it. Chris Sale: Bud Select 55 Get it? Because he's skinny. (This in no way is me saying Bud Select 55 is good, in fact, I've never had it and don't ever plan to) Brent Morel: ? I can't think of a beer that tastes better at the room-temperature end. Mark Buehrle: Schlafly Oktoberfest A St. Louis-area brew that never blows me away, but is one of my favorite beers. Adam Dunn: Goose Island Bourbon County Stout I couldn't finish the bottle when I first tried it, and it was very expensive, but the next time I had it I really liked it. Alex Rios: Red Beer Budweiser and V8 is just an awful combination. And it's actually kind of expensive to get all those ingredients together, too. Dayan Viciedo: Dayan Viciedo Founder Breakfast Stout One of the best stouts there is, only released in September. (Via @Many_Vent) John Danks: Shiner Bock The Texas connection is obvious. A solid beer with good results, but the amount your friends talk about it makes you think it should be better. (Via U-God of South Side Sox) Ozzie Guillen: Leffe Blonde Abbey Ale Tastes great at first, but after you've had a few of them, the novelty wears off and you can't really stand the taste of it anymore. (Via mm) Kenny Williams: Red Stripe Every once in a while, you'll have one and it will taste really good, but for the most part, it always comes up short and disappointing. (Via mm) Omar Vizquel: Old Budweiser The old Budweiser that I found in the garage and for some dumb reason decided to drink it. (Via Scotch Man) Brent Morel: High Life I find that it finishes better than other cheap beers. (Via Jim from South Side Sox) High Life is cheap and effective enough. Not the best option, but not Keystone Light either. (Via Tom from South Side Asylum) Jesse Crain: Hamm's Minnesotan. Comes at a fair price. Better than you'd expect, but prone to moments of extreme regret for the purchase. (Via U-God of South Side Sox) Jesse Crain: Stone Ruination IPA Way over the top in intensity, but delicious & worth the pricetag. (Via @Many_Vent) Alex Rios: Keystone Light But it's Keystone Light you payed $50 for. (Via Eriq Jaffe) John Danks: The Commemorative Willie Nelson can of MGD in my garage I keep it around 'cuz it could be valuable, someday (via the great Carl Skanberg) Brent Lillibridge: Modus Hoperandi Relatively inexpensive. Funny looking packaging on a deceptively strong product. Not readily available and much better in moderation. (Via U-God of South Side Sox) Carlos Quentin: Goose Island Night Stalker Strong, quiet, dark like that great set of hair, after a few you too will become injury prone. (via SouthSideSwaggr) Shane Lindsay: Foster's Australian, available most everywhere. Actually wanted nowhere. (Via U-God of South Side Sox) Lastings Milledge: Beer 30 A low-cost risk that seems like it might pay off. It never does. (Via U-God of South Side Sox) Tony Pena: Steel Reserve The thought of what you spent to get either makes you want to vomit as much as the taste does. (Via U-God of South Side Sox) Hector Santiago: PBR He was pretty awesome, but you've probably never heard of him. (Beerleaguer) Will Ohman: Left-Hand Brewing Co. Stranger Pale Ale Heavy, pale, left handed and from Colorado. Neither good nor bad. Merely exists. (Via U-God of South Side Sox) Jeff Gray: Beer 30 Because my reaction to both was "This exists?" (Via James from White Sox Observer) Wow. What a post. Amazingly good stuff.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 02:31 AM) I don't even think Francona will be available, it really looks like he's going to take a year off. Seems like this past season has taken a good 10 years off his life. He ought to go on a 2 week vacation and see if the Sox will wait. By the time he takes a couple weeks off he'll be fine. He's a baseball guy. LaRussa always wants to come back after taking some time off. But if the Sox can't wait, maybe you are right.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 07:35 AM) Expect Tito Francona to become a major candidate for the White Sox job in the next few days. It seems like such a no brainer. If Sox sign Francona and keep the veterans we think they are going to keep to go with some of our young favorites, the team remains relevant. Perhaps Tito has some opinions on which of the guys to dump on other teams. If we sign Alomar, no offense to Sandy, but it's a sign we are going very very cheap and don't care about returning to the WS.

QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) I don't believe I sugested Oz was going to die poor, but do you really think Ozzie has enough to watch $8,000,000.00 slip away? You can always live a little better. An even bigger boat, an even bigger house, bigger diamonds for the wife and girlfriend, even longer and more lavish vacations. I just watched a special about a ship that rents for $500,000 per week. Think a guy with a couple million in the bank will lease it for a month and cruise the Med Sea? How about a guy with $10 mil in the bank? If no one desired a house more expensive than a milliom bucks, then no one would build $5 mil homes. Think about this, didn't Jordan make enough playing basketball? Why did he endorse products? I've read very few people that say they have enough money and don't want any more. Yes, he's set for life. But do you think he doesn't want to improve on how "set" he is? Was this a little hint of Ozzie's lifestyle when you said wife n girlfriend? Not flaming, just wonder if u suspect he is a candidate to go on the show, "Cheaters."

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:21 AM) Greg, I like you, I really do. But this is the dumbest sentence I've ever seen on SoxTalk. The mouth is part of the man. And I say the fans at the stadium, when he was a player. As a player, there was a reason kids loved him, autographs and he would give plenty. I doubt he did that as manager. I thought it was an epic line: Don't hate the man; hate the mouth. A possible Soxtalk classic line! But I see where u are coming from even though it rolls off the tongue nicely.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:32 PM) You can't have the biggest Sept fail in MLB history and not have fallout. Exactly. Can u imagine if that happened here under Ozzie?? People on this board would be LIVID. I think his two WS titles proves he is the man for the White Sox job, though.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 07:06 AM) Greg, that only goes so far. You can't say that about Reverend Fred Phelps down in your neck of the woods or Terry Jones in Florida. What he says and has said, whether he intended it to be for public consumption (and he's 100% aware of when a mike or tape recorder is around him, ask Phil Rogers)...coming directly from his mouth, he's made a lot of his original fans turn against him the last 2-3 seasons. Surely nobody was anti-Ozzie like they are now back in 2008. I hate that Phelps guy, though. Surprised this Cowley story isn't getting commented upon. Yes, KW was the reason Ozzie left. I agree with Cowley's sentiments, especially the last line. http://www.suntimes.com/sports/baseball/wh...asnt-there.html

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 07:52 AM) Fixed. He never was a class act. Never. I loved Ozzie, then he just became more of an ass. He is not, will never be, and never was (except to fans at the stadium), a class act. Did u read his article on his website? Class. Except to fans at the stadium? That's huge in itself. These ballplayers and managers come to the ballpark for 6 months out of the year.To always be gracious??? That's class. Lots of guys pretend to not see the fans and ignore them. Ozz is nice to them? Class. Ozzie likes to talk and a lot of you hate his mouth. Don't hate the man. hate the mouth. p.s. It'd be neat to see polls on here. Are u glad Ozzie Guillen got fired? Do you wish Ozzie was still the Sox manager? Would I be the only one to vote no and yes on those 2 questions?

QUOTE (Wanne @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:47 AM) hahahaaa...ya think. The Ozzie hatred wears me out. The thing is on HIS website. He could have dictated the message to somebody who wrote it. I love Ozzie Guillen. Class act.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 09:48 PM) Assuming he has a blank checkbook. Which clearly he doesn't. Otherwise, any one of us could get on a plane (ala Billy Beane in MONEYBALL), go to St. Pete and bring Dave Martinez back as the new Sox manager, or Terry Francona, for that matter. And the manager has to be signed off on by JR, as well. So if JR wanted to spend $7.5 million, give LaRussa a seat on the board/partial ownership interest and promised a "golden parachute/front office" position for TLR at age 70, do you really think LaRussa would still stay in St. Louis? Oh cmon. s***ty baseball players make 3 million a year. We can afford to pay Tito 3-4 million. It's absurd to cite money as the reason for Sandy over Tito. Pay the man.

QUOTE (Real @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 06:34 AM) enough with the White Sox brotherhood hires, enough is enough of this inhouse/past players bulls*** Brotherhood, hire? He's a two-time world champion for god sakes. He's be a super hire.

QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 05:35 AM) The Red Sox didn't hire him because he had 2 WS titles. And if we hire him, we need to hire him for the same reasons the Red Sox did. My main issue re: Francona is his perception of being a players manager almost to a fault. We don't have Big Papis and Mannys here, but we will have more young talent that needs to be kind of protected a bit IMO. But I guess you never know what you're getting until you get it, so maybe Francona would adopt a different type of personality here. No matter what though, Francona would be seen as a "win now" or at least a "win soon" hire, as well as a "money" hire, and I don't think we need any of those things. So if we bring him in, again, do it for the right reasons. The guy is 52. He is YOUNG by baseball standards. THis would be a great swap; Oz for Tito. Tito will win 1-2 WS title with the Sox and be a Hall of Famer! Sox are gonna blow this and it is UNACCEPTABLE

OK, Francona is likely gone according to this Fox story by Rosenthal that just went up on the Web. How can the White Sox NOT hire this guy. This could work out GREAT in the long run. As much as I LOVE Ozzie, Tito HAS TO BE the man. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/manager...-red-sox-092911 Tnis guy has won TWO WS and we don't want him? Over a couple million bucks? If we don't hire him this has been a s*** time for me. Lose Ozzie and my favorite team won't hire a 2-time WS champion manager who is just 52 years old??? f***.

So Boston lost. The complaints in this story ... team had no fire, no passion, etc. It's the same in every city when you lose. Cliches, cliches. Boston globe BALTIMORE - Theo Epstein put this all together. Oh, not the collapse, but the players who authored one of the greatest collapses of all time. And so the Red Sox general manager painfully watched on a clubhouse TV last night as his team blew a 3-2 lead to the Orioles in the ninth. He watched as his players walked in from the dugout with their heads bowed in anger, disgust, and embarrassment. Epstein and his players watched the Rays beat the Yankees on Evan Longoria’s homer in the 12th inning, ending Boston’s season. Was this worse than 2003? Related Photos Fans watched the Orioles celebrate on the Camden Yards infield after beating the Red Sox in the final game of the regular season. Red Sox complete collapse after dramatic loss Red Sox’ collapse is complete after Orioles’ comeback The Big Story: What went so wrong for Red Sox? “Sure, this is one for the ages isn’t it?’’ Epstein said. “What was going on in those two games . . . How poorly we played in September . . . We can’t sugarcoat this. This is awful. We did it to ourselves and we put ourselves in position for a crazy night like this to end our season. “It shouldn’t have been this way,’’ he continued. “Seven and 20 in September. If we go 9-18, we were where we want to go [playoffs]. That’s a third of our games. The worst teams in baseball win a third of their games. There are no excuses.’’ Epstein promised an evaluation of the organization from top to bottom. If Epstein stays - his future in Boston is in doubt after reports he may flee to the Cubs - he will face difficult decisions, such as the one he made when he fired manager Grady Little following the 2003 meltdown in the American League Championship Series against the Yankees. Will manager Terry Francona survive? Will his two-year option be picked up? That is one of the decisions Epstein will mull the next few days. Was it Francona’s fault? Probably not, but managers get blamed just because. Epstein is the first to kick himself for the high-priced free agents not working out. That couldn’t have been more clear than in the ninth inning, when Gold Glove left fielder Carl Crawford couldn’t come up with Robert Andino’s sinking liner, a play he would have nine times out of 10 in his days in Tampa Bay. But since coming to Boston, Crawford hasn’t been able to live up to his fielding standards. That play allowed the winning run to score and kept Boston out of the postseason for the second straight year. There was the John Lackey signing two years ago, which hasn’t worked out. Lackey also had a trying year off the field. The Red Sox wanted to avoid pitching Lackey in a one-game playoff so much that Epstein tried to make a deal at the last minute for Royals lefty Bruce Chen. The Sox often seemed disinterested and not well conditioned. There were players who were too easy to fold their tents and miss games for the slightest injuries. The Sox became a soft team, not a hungry, tough team like the Rays. Epstein was asked whether there was a chemistry problem on the team and he refused to answer so soon after the loss. What stood out for him? “Disappointment,’’ Epstein said. “We had a real bad start, 2-10, went 81-42 and then September happened - 7-20 impossible to explain. A huge disappointment. Nobody to blame but ourselves. We did this to ourselves. “We don’t have any excuses. Things went wrong with injuries, but whether it was luck or fate or whatever, the over-riding factor was poor play. We have no excuses. We’ll have time to dissect it and move forward.’’ Epstein did say the organization tried to come up with solutions to turn things around before they reached this point. “We were doing little things behind scenes,’’ he said. “Watched games over and over to see if there’s something we could help with. Talked to players. Talked to the team. We addressed the team at one point. We never wanted to give in to the inability of fate. You try to turn it around. “We didn’t play good baseball,’’ he said. “And the pitching led the way as far as not playing good baseball.’’ After missing the playoffs two straight years there will be more reflection, more self-analysis. “I think every year you have to look at where you are as an organization,’’ Epstein said. “The trends . . . where you’re going in the future. It’s our responsibility to do that every year and when you have a month like we had you only intensity that effort.’’ How do you evaluate a team that was nearly 40 games over .500 at one point to the one which finished 7-20? “You can’t deny this month happened,’’ Epstein said. “Even though it was preceded by being the best team in baseball for fourth months, it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. “So we’ll have to take a close look at everything that’s not right. We have to fix it and that includes the entire organization. If there’s any silver lining it’s that you can’t look the other way. You have to address it now. That’s process will be difficult but it’s something we need to do.’’ Epstein looks for fatal flaws in every season. When asked what the fatal flaws were he said, “It was more complicated. There were a lot of factors that went into what happened here.’’ Yes there were. This was a team that had no fire. It was a team that had no urgency. It’s a team that needs to be hungry again. How you do that on a team with big contracts and comfortable players is the challenge that lies ahead for Epstein. Nick Cafardo can be reached at cafardo@globe.com. Follow him on Twitter @nickcafardo.

I can't believe a lot of you take literally all the motormouth stuff that comes from Ozzie's mouth. Read this great blog on Ozzieguillen.com. Gracious man. I don't understand the venom toward him. Oz writes. ... This has been a tough couple of days for me and my family. Change is never easy, especially when you are leaving an organization you spent 22 years of your life with. The Chicago White Sox were the first organization to give me the opportunities to both play and manage in the big leagues. For 22 years, I tried to give them everything I had every day. In 2005, we were able to do something that hadn’t been done in 88 years — bring the World Series trophy back to the city of Chicago. Handing that trophy over to Mr. Jerry Reinsdorf is something I will never forget because I knew how important it was to him. That was a dream of both of ours, and no one will ever be able to take that away from us. I want to thank everyone that made my years in Chicago special. First of all, I had the opportunity to manage some great players and need to thank them for coming to the park ready to play every single day. Thank you to my great coaching staff, the front office, Minor League department, security, grounds crew, everyone that works at the ballpark and everyone that worked for and played for the White Sox from 2004-11. I also can’t thank the fans enough for the love and support they showed me and my family throughout my career. I hope that support can continue in the future. Chicago will ALWAYS be my home, and my message to all the fans is simply this: I will forever love you and will never forget you. As I’m sure most of you know, a new chapter in my life began today. It’s hard to explain how happy and excited I am to be joining the Miami Marlins organization. I’m honored that they wanted me to be a part of this new era in Marlins baseball. I want to thank Mr. Jeffrey Loria, Mr. David Samson, Mr. Larry Beinfest, Mr. Michael Hill and Jack McKeon for everything they have done for the Marlins organization and the opportunity they have given me. My goal is to make them and Marlins fans everywhere proud of their team. I can promise you that we are going to play the game the right way. I am really looking forward to the future and can’t wait to get started!!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 02:01 AM) How come Daryl Boston isn't getting mentioned? I thought Cowley said he'd be KW's puppet. I did get a laugh when Ozzie told the Miami media his situation wasn't about money. I guess he forgot what he said a couple days before. I don't know why u guys care what Ozzie says. Ozzie is Ozzie. He talks a mile and minute and even he has no idea what's coming out of his mouth. I loved the Miami Herald story. They asked his wife if he's ever quiet. She said, 'When he's asleep.'