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QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 04:15 AM) Williams lucked out with a bunch of marginally-talented players all having career years in 2005. That team wasn't expected to win in 2005 and hasn't come close since. I think he deserves credit for '05, a lot of credit. But how he survives this mess of a season and Ozzie is the fall guy for Dunn/Rios/Peavy is beyond me. s***, even this year's Jackson trade was stupid.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:34 AM) Ugh, your posts are so absolute. Quentin, Pierre, AJ and one or both of Danks and Floyd are gone at the very least. Kw plans on contending within 3 years so there is plenty of room and reason to bring back Buehrle. They've been talking as well which tells me they are bringing him back. But please continue. QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 03:53 AM) Congratulations to Adam Dunn who set a White Sox single season record for strikeouts. His 3 whiffs tonight bring his record breaking total to 177 and he had a lot of time off. It appears .160 will be the new Dunn line. .200 already the Mendoza line, .160 seems like a good number. Adam will need a hit in the season finale to finish above it. 1.) It's Flowers time. Should be interesting to see how the new manager deals with Flowers looking like he deserves a shot over AJ who can't throw anybody out anymore. AJ won't want to sit. I could see trading him, but like you said, who will be willing to take him on and his salary? If AJ stays, good luck to the new manager sitting him in favor of Flowers. 2.) Isn't it safe to say most pitchers in baseball, given Dunn's at bats, could hit .160? Granted they couldn't whack that grand total of 11 home runs. Any manager who takes this job should demand a helluva contract having to deal with Dunn/Rios. Those two guys can get a manager fired ... oh wait, they already got one pushed out the door over the buffoon GM who acquired them.

QUOTE (TomPickle @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:33 AM) I know this is Buehrle's night and all (and rightfully so), but man do I love watching Chris Sale pitch. Me too. I used to like watching Thornton, too, though. Hope Sale is a dominant starter.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 10:57 PM) I'm probably one of the few people on here that interacted with Ozzie on a personal basis more than once. Really nice guy in person and always had a moment for strangers that wanted to say hi. Its too bad he became a terrible manager. If Adam Dunn hit 40 to 50 home runs and Rios hit .320 with 110 RBIs and Peavy won 18 games, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Ozzie would be a great manager.

I'm glad a lot of people on this board despise KW. They may hate Ozzie but at least they hate KW as well.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 12:16 AM) I don't see LaRussa taking the job with Williams remaining GM. Why would anybody want to work for KW? Why would LaRussa want to come to Chicago when he has a much much better job? They are not going to fire him. He did a nice job this year.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:19 AM) You bring Mark back if you can win in 2012.. Since that aint happening, you are throwing money down the drain.. Since IMO this team isn't going anywhere till it can get out of the bad contracts they have. And why would Mark want to come back.. he isn't about the money, I would think he would want to play for a contender. Throwing money down the drain? Not quite. It's sad cause if he doesn't come back it's cause of the three-headed monster.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:47 AM) How am I trolling.. I love the Sox, hate Hawk. I love the Sox and love Hawk.

Awesome. Mark's last start as a Sox ends in a shutout win. Congrats, Mark. (as long as it gets rained out now).

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 11:12 PM) Then why the f*** do you care so damn much about ozzie? Jesus I just listened to 17 minute Oz interview on whitesox.com and he was gracious.The more I think about this I am just sick over the fact KW won this war. s***. I better log off a while before I explode. Kenny Williams beat Ozzie Guillen. My god that is like Victor Ortiz beating Mayweather.

It's obvious it's Alomar. Steve Stone says so on the score website. I would agree. So the question is, will Sandy be good? My answer: Yes. If the players perform. It's a players game.

You'd have to think the new manager knows Cooper or else this makes no sense. Pitching coach is pretty important position. This should give us a big hint. Does Alomar know Cooper well? Yes would be the answer.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:46 PM) Margalus with a great write up. I hope he has a similar write up when KW is finally shown the door.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 10:37 PM) Sure, greg. By your criteria, everybody should have a statue erected. KW doesn't deserve one? What about Coop? Mark? PK? Dye? s***, the statues will outnumber the fans if you have your way. Cmon. He was manager of a Chicago team that won a WS and also played ss for the Sox a long, long time. He was a fan favorite as a player, too, even though some of you insist he's worse hitter than mark belanger.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:32 PM) When I saw the names, Martinez and Marinez, I thought it was Kenny not wanting to make the Berry/Barry trade mistake again so he asked for two players. QUOTE (IamtheHBOMB @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 10:01 PM) So, I think we all kinda knew that when the Ozzie-KW thing blew up that he would bolt for Florida. I wonder where Ozzie will go after he (inevitably) f***s up his situation in Miami? 1.) Marty that is an incredible post. I'd call it post of the year candidate. My gosh, what a gem. Good job. 2.) I don't think he'll f*** it up in Miami but where will he go if he does? Uh, he'll stay right there. 16 million bucks means he and all his kids are set for life 3 times over. He'll enjoy life in Miami even if he f***s it up.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 10:11 PM) I don't think Greg understands how much you have to mean to the franchise to get your number retired. Ozzie wasn't a good player when he was here and he was marginal as the manager. I don't know how that deserves getting your number retired. He managed our team to a WS title. I don't care if they retire the jersey number but they should either do that or have the statue. The guys that undervalue a WS title surprise me. I was at a luncheon today in KC and we talked about Ozzie and I swear to God the people at my table told me, 'Ozzie isn't popular? When was your last World Series before 2005?' I said '1917.' They laughed.

QUOTE (Wedge @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 05:44 PM) Put me down for anxious, mixed with the sadness option. Going forward, Dunn, Rios, and Peavy all need to produce (or traded) for this club to have a hope of competing. Management likely needs to adjust its decision making processes so huge mistakes like those aren't made going forwards. I hope for the best for the new manager, but fear Williams will saddle whoever it is with an untenable roster. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 06:13 PM) I think my mood is best described as "Dour". Not because of Ozzie being replaced, but because of the storm clouds on the horizon for the team. I would agree with both of these. Future is not bright unless KW works a miracle with the roster.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:14 PM) I don't love it when you analyze. Ozzie put his cards on the table wanting KW, the man he despises, fired and KW trumped him. KW won. Why is my analysis wrong? If we believe what's written, Oz told Jerry he wanted KW out. The Florida money is great but it never gets to that point if Oz remains King of Chicago. BTW how did Florida work out this contract so quickly with Ozzie? Tampering. Sox should demand some more compensation IMO.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 09:06 PM) Directly from his mouth. Oh and in the locker room he told the players the same thing. Said he could have stayed but he needs to do the best for his family and go where there is more money. As for baiting you into a fight, I dont fight on the internet, I'm just concerned about your mental well being. Seriously walk away from the keyboard. I think you guys take what Ozzie says way too seriously. Of course he wanted the big big bucks from Florida but it never gets to this point if the White Sox want him. Never. KW won this battle fair and square (in my opinion by sucking up to the boss, Jerry whereas Ozzie would not do that) unfortunately for Ozzie lovers like me.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) I am going to not take the troll bait and actually stay with the topic at hand here. Ozzie Guillen has been a huge part of my life as a Sox fan. I was 9 during the magical 1983 season, and was devastated that the Sox traded Lamar Hoyt away. Of course I had no idea what Hoyt liked to do in his free time, but that is a different story. When Ozzie came to the Sox watching him play was like watching a player that I could be. He wasn't especially athletic and strong, but he was a smart player, and a guy who would use whatever advantage he could create. Watching him handle the bat, and play his position was just awesome. I'll also never forget he was the player who treated the kids who came to see him at the ballpark the best. I think I had something like half a dozen different Guillen autographs over the years. As a manager he was a whole new world. Especially coming out of the Jerry Manuel era which was so boring and lacking direction. He really seemed to just excite players and get that extra something out of them. He never was an X's and O's type of guy, but few managers could get what he did out of his players for a lot of years. Good luck Ozzie, hopefully you learned something in Chicago, and do better at your next stop. Great great post. Classy and respectful of my favorite manager of all time and one of my favorite players.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 07:48 PM) Actually Ozzie said he left on his own as he wanted more money and thats all that matters to him. Stop crying and walk away from your keyboard. You really think that's how it went down? The team didn't want him so he left for the big bucks where he gets a new start and he'll be loved. Your last sentence doesn't deserve a response. I consider it baiting me into a fight. I won't bite.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 07:06 PM) Guillen had to go, but how in the heck do you appoint Cora the interim manager last night and this morning Williams texts him not to show up tonight. What an embarrassment. Kenny Williams needs to get his act together. If that is true ... KW should be fired again. Somebody should interview current managers in baseball like LaRussa off the record and find out what they think of the laughable KW.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 07:43 PM) Personally, I have no faith in south Florida baseball. Yes both Florida teams had/have horrible stadiums, but they have never had a lot of support. I just dont think FLorida is a summer baseball state. This is Florida's last chance at selling out the stadium on a regular basis. They get a great manager who is Latin and a new ballpark. He also is great tool for PR. He'll be all over the commercials as they market Ozzie Guillen, the man who won a WS in Florida and one in Chicago. Perfect scenario for Marlins.

QUOTE (Baron @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 03:57 PM) Yeah he plays the..." Well even though Ozzie did this...Kenny did this which is worse" card QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 06:20 PM) On the Score, they said Kenny told Cora to not even show up at park tonight. 1.) How KW keeps his job after signing the worst player in baseball and signing Rios and Peavy ... it is just amazing. If Oz is gone, KW should be gone. Although they are spinning it that Oz left on his own. 2.) If he said it like an ass, KW is lucky Cora didn't pop him in the mouth.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 07:29 PM) I am loving the Miami fan reactions (yes, I consider myself a "part-time" marlins fan). They are so happy he's coming and they think the new park is going to save the franchise and give them a $100+ million payroll. I dont think the park will save this team one bit. It might marginally increase attendance over 3-5 years after an initial year or two spike because of the "new factor", but that is about it They should be thrilled to get Guillen. Why wouldn't they be? Excellent for them in a new ballpark and perfect for Ozzie as well.