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The cheating is most of it, but I also simply have hated him as a me-first asshole type player. I'm not suddenly going to approve of him just cause he's wearing our jersey. That said, I'll root for us to win with him as Albert Belle was the biggest prick in the history of baseball and I still wanted us to win.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:11 PM) Why? You got man love for Kotsay or something? Why not just chant it when every hitter comes up? I don't think it will help anything, just make it seem like the Sox are insecure and want a cheater on the team.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:08 PM) God I hope so, that would be awesome! No it wouldn't.

If the Sox and Twins series go as planned we could be out of it more than the Dodgers by Tuesday. Would we still want Manny if we lose all 3 to NY and the Twins win all 3 vs. Seattle?

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:44 PM) Wank wank wank......... get off your goddamn high horse. Enjoy your sanctimonious all-clean LAST PLACE team. There's room for you on the North side, where they don't care where they finish. No. I will ride the horse as much as I want.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:29 PM) Enough with the "stupid". I wasn't trying to pick a fight, Greg. My point was that you say any and all cheating to wrong. Longshot's post was meant to be partly funny and...aw forget it. It's not worth it. I thought longshot was serious and you as well. my bad.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:24 PM) BNightengale #mlb #dodgers GM Ned Colletti on moving trading Manny Ramirez: "Not inclined to move anyone so long as we have a chance.'' 3 minutes ago damn you Ned Please be true. Or at least don't give up any player in our system who has a chance to be a MLB standout.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:22 PM) To Sox fans. There's been no outrage over Ozzie's statement about that, except on here. It didn't make headlines. Because the media and fans know "Ozzie is Ozzie." I think Ozzie is class. Prove to me otherwise.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:18 PM) I find it so ironic that you want the Sox to win with class yet you are so in love with Ozzie. Most fans outside of Chicago would call him a classless jerk. Are you serious? They call Ozzie a classless jerk? I have seen NO EVIDENCE of that besides Moronotti. Fans in Kansas City I talk to love Ozzie. What has he done to be deemed a classless jerk? Are you fricking serious? Ozzie says f*** a lot ... so do a lot of managers.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:07 PM) People looking for morality in sports are looking for it in the wrong place. I'll root for an ex-terrorist if I have to, I real don't care. QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:08 PM) None of that has to do with steroids which appears to be what you're freaking out about. And again, if you are so opposed to it, then burn all your Sox gear and stop watching the team and baseball in general. So many players used it that its stupid to hate the 1 or 2 that got caught and not the hundreds more that are still playing and did it too. That's where we differ, chw. Win and do it with class. As far as Jenks post. Take your ball and go home. That's such an easy argument. It's not that simple. I said I'd boo him once, then grudgingly root for him helping us win and feel dirty doing so. He wouldn't be the reason we won it all if we did win it all; it would take a lot more than Manny. He'll be embraced early; who in LA is talking about Mannywood now? They want that bum long gone! Just as we will if he's here long enough. I've been a Sox fan a long time. Just because they add one bum doesn't mean I have to burn my jersey and hat.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:04 PM) Do people not realize that Konerko is having almost as good a season as Joey Votto? I hit Manny 5th, you need that speed in front of Konerko to see the fastballs which he is crushing. Paul Konerko is the ultimate professional. He does things quietly. He is a hero. A good role model IMO.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:03 PM) One question, Greg: Are you saying you've never sped while driving, fudged some numbers on a tax return, jaywalked? Longshot's post was a bit inflammatory, but I got the point. How many guys do you think were on steroids before the testing became so prominent? I would imagine a lot more than we might think. It's shallow and stupid to try to justify his acquisition by the questions you ask. In answer to your questions. Yes, I've sped while driving and had some tickets. No I've not fudged a tax return, ever. Yes I've jaywalked. What the f*** does that have to do with this? We can disagree on his character but cheating is wrong.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:00 PM) it wasn't against the rules. how about all the players of the past who used greenies before a game? better build a big fire to burn all those sox jerseys. If Manny is beyond criticism, why did somebody say Farmer always blasts him? My position is not unique. I'd prefer to not have the bum on my team. I personally would want to boo him in his first plate appearance then cheer for him because he is only one player on a team. I don't like what he stands for. He flaunts his me-first attitude more than most players. Frank Thomas, Paul Konerko equal great hitters and class. Manny? Great hitter and a bum.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:55 PM) What are you trying to prove here? I get your point you don't like PED users but than you need to stop being a fan a baseball as there is no way of knowing who has and has cheated. The "clean" Sox never existed as Jose Canseco was a member of this team. It is a part of the game and the Sox are just trying to win as that brings people to the game not that and only that. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:55 PM) Haven't you noticed who has taken the majority of DH at-bats this season? That decision was way more stupid than acquiring Manny Ramirez would be. I'm not trying to prove anything. He pissed me off when he said he condones doing everything illegal as long as winning results. I was responding to his disgusting post. Stupid may not be the right word. I'll say disgusting, appalling, disgraceful instead of stupid, cause you are right, he may help us win.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:52 PM) You mean old people? QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:53 PM) You have got to be kidding... 95% of your posts are saying the team has done something stupid. So young people like cheaters? What's that all about? Young people have no morals or something? I don't get the criticism. Again, I guess I feel honored people know more about my posts than I do. I can't tell you about anybody's posts and you all know what I post? I guess I'm that influential. Very cool.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:50 PM) There is a lot of booing and negativity on facebook in regard to the news of Sox claim Manny. You would think average facebook fan wouldn't care about Steroids, any chance he gets booed if he plays for W Sox ? That would be cool if he got booed. It would show me again, Sox fans are the best. Not sheep who just cheer when we are supposed to cheer for the new guy/cheater. I'd say boo him once then have him help us win and cheer his performance but feel dirty doing so.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:49 PM) Don't bother. This has been longshot's schtick for as long as I can remember. His logic trail leads to the impossible (anarchy) so its empty, and he's probably doing it just to get your goat. Its working. Oh. I didn't know that. I'll just assume it's a joke, then. I mean I'll feel dirty while cheering for Manny I guess, if we win it all, but it's still wrong to acquire this guy IMO. Maybe this will be good for me and help me be less a Sox/sports fanatic. My team hasn't done something this stupid in a long time.

I think I'm like Balta. I love the White Sox. If I cheer for him, I will feel dirty doing so. He worded it best. This is a disgrace. I just hope we have him one month. And if we fall out of the race, which seems inevitable, how the f*** are you gonna feel about Manny when he's not into playing for the White Sox with us 7 back?? Manny is a cheater. I don't want him.

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:44 PM) LOL. People who are against PEDs are such hypocrites. How many of you don't speed in your cars or look for loopholes when doing your taxes? Sure, it's okay to cheat on some things and not others. What bs.... I hope some people think long and hard before making such posts iike this. People, don't out yourselves as people who condone cheating and all that. Don't make me lose faith in humanity more than I have. My god. Think before you post. CHEATING IS WRONG!!!

QUOTE (Real @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:39 PM) If we get him, i cant f***ing wait to hear Farmio's reaction as he has constantly ripped manny since the ban QUOTE (longshot7 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:40 PM) "Winning isn't everything. It is the only thing." -Vince Lombardi Vince's quote was not as harsh as the inane comment he posted. Vince's is considered in the true spirit of competition. You bleed to win! This is a disgraceful day in White Sox history to acquire this guy.

Who are you? Gordon Gekko?

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:20 PM) What happens if helps carry the Sox to a WS title??? You don't let other posters say anything bad about Pods, Crede, Dye, etc. because they won a WS title here. Would you still call him a bum if he was World Series MVP? How the hell do I know? I can't predict the future. I do know that White Sox fans have never disappointed me in the past except with the ridiculous booing of certain players, which truthfully, didn't last long. I would hope our great fans would love Manny's contributions in such a case but also realize he wasn't the sole reason for the WS title. If we were to go that far, there would be some major pitching heroes and bullpen heroes and clutch hitting heroes, likely guys like Rios, Beckham and Lexi and Paulie coming through time after time in big games.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:11 PM) I am sure the 23,000 fans that went out there on as a beautiful night as there could be last night to watch a team in the pennant race will agree with you. Manny Ramirez can do things nobody since Frank Thomas and to some degree not even he could do sorry he did PED's so did other teams. Tehy got Canseco and there was no question there. Teh holier than thou approach is fine but it will not win.....I wonder how many yankee fans want A-Rod gone. They are not honoring Thomas because he was clean they are honoring him because he hit the s*** of a baseball just like Manny. I'd like to think they are honoring Thomas for his performance and his class. He is praised throughout baseball and rightly so, for accomplishing his feats, without steroids. If Manny is here the same night Frank is honored ... that will be hilarious. Why are the Dodgers so eager to get rid of Manny? I thought less than a year ago he was king of LA? I hoipe this is just for a month and the bum is gone after that.

Don't we have to trade for Manny? I think some are going to be upset when if and when it's Viciedo in the deal for a rental. We could be out of the race 2-3 days w/in Manny's arrival. The standings are that tenuous. Manny will enjoy playing out the string with the White Sox.

Who are we going to give the Dodgers in trade for this rental? That should be interesting. Flowers? Sale? Viciedo?