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Jones was a ridiculous acquisition. We found out the same thing Texas did. He's no good anymore. If you want defense, there are plenty of .200 hitters who can play defense.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 26, 2010 -> 03:45 PM) I thought everyone wanted him sent down to the minors earlier? It's great what patience can bring isn't it They did. People were as adamant and vicious about that as the other hot topics on here where people think they know more than Oz/KW.

I think tonight's loss was the worst of the season. Chance to pick up a game on Twins. Floppola. We are not looking like a team that is gonna scare Minnie at all.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 10:38 PM) Well, there are some restaurants where you're treated rudely by the wait staff (I'm thinking of the Varsity in Atlanta and Gates BBQ in KC) and that's part of the tradition, but it's pretty rare where you'd go to steak place and the mai'tre d would shout "fu-- you" to the dinner party on the way to the table. I suppose you can make the point that it's EXPECTED that Ozzie is this way...so I suppose if the product is good enough, you'll put up with abusive/lousy treatment or service if the overall experience, in the end, is worth it. Of course with Ozzie, it's more of a situation where we can put up with his behavior when the team is doing pretty well or successful, it's when the team is struggling that those character "flaws" are held against him. Essentially, the same thing happened to Maradona as a football coach, but he didn't have the World Cup trophy to fall back on in his defense. I actually went to Gates last week. It's still really good. The original Gates off downtown KC. Actually the person I was with was asking dumb questions and they didn't do the insult thing at all. They were quite friendly walking the guy through his order.

There you go again. What's your deal with telling people (me) what to do? I could add some more but I'll leave it at that. WTF? Good to know you are not a "normal poster" as well.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 26, 2010 -> 02:47 AM) Put Lilli out there De Aza will be up in a week as well. Didn't we already have a day off this week? It's time to play your best players IMO.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Aug 26, 2010 -> 03:30 AM) Sorry to say...yes it's too much. And I know everyone loves Mr. Buehrle but he is not an ace. Having seen great pitchers in my lifetime, Mark does not measure up to even a Gary Peters, Joel Horlen, Tommy John or Wilbur Wood , let alone a Marichal or Koufax. He's better than Horlen, Peters and Wood. Tommy John was probably better.

QUOTE (mcgrad70 @ Aug 26, 2010 -> 03:34 AM) You just can't keep losing to last place teams and expect to win a division. It's been 5 years since I've seen a Sox team with the killer instinct. It certainly was a blown opportunity. Minnie is faceplanting in Texas and we simply could be picking up a game a night. Sad to get shut down as we did tonight. I mean you HAVE to find a way to beat baltimore at the Cell on a night Minnie is losing again. Sad. Last 2 seasons have been exceedingly frustrating to be a fan (except for the wild 25-5 run).

Fair enough, I deleted my post on that topic.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 09:13 PM) I recognize it as kyyle being kyyle. So what's the difference? Cause they won't let me be me without a reprimand, so when I get insulted, I will mention it back as well. Guess who didn't even chime in on Bobby's performance last night?

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 26, 2010 -> 12:00 AM) Putting him in the 9th spot, even when he has been hitting better, can't be too good on his confidence. Thing is, you and I don't know if Ozzie hitting him 9th is good or bad for him. Hell, nobody truly knows. But from the looks of his numbers since the ASB, moving him up would be a good idea. He can't be getting any good pitches to hit with Juan Pierre behind him. He got a good one to hit last night. Bam.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 11:55 PM) No not really. Uh, really. As far as Ozzie/Beckham, what is so hard to believe that the manager is a big key to his turnaround? Uh, most everybody on this board wanted him back in the minors. Ozzie lowered him in the order, but kept him up here, and last night's bomb was beautiful. What a blast. Oz, in fact, is at his best supporting players. That's part of being a manager as well as the sabmermetric crap.

QUOTE (Vance Law @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 04:08 PM) You are aware of who makes the lineups aren't you? How do you know he's not doing well because of the way the manager has used him? The manager has had faith in him all season when just about everybody on here wanted him sent down to the minors. Read the old threads.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 04:31 PM) Haha, you're upset about this but not upset about Ozzie telling the fans to stop watching the f'n games if they don't like his decisions? Most of our fans realize it's just Ozzie being Ozzie. Sox fans that watched him as a player and a manager know he says a lot of things. One of the great things about him is how worked up he gets. On here? I don't need some guy who thinks he's all hot s*** telling me off by telling me to take my ball and go home if I don't like his insults.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 07:39 PM) This. It's fine to ask questions, but you also have to bring some of your own research to the table once in a while. I actually have given my take on this but thought it would be a good thread. Obviously a good thread is no thread this season on here, except in the non baseball areas where the discussion is civll and actually pretty awesome like on the Blago thread. My take was that as the biggest and best city in the division and the team to have the most recent WS title, teams get up to play us and we pretty much sleepwalk vs. the teams in the Central. I'm not always big on the mental aspect of baseball, but arguably teams really get up for Chicago, evidenced by how many teams in the division throw at our hitters. So many people are commenting on what I do and don't do I'd think they'd remember my position on this matter since they seem to know so much about my posts.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 05:46 PM) Pena was "closer of the future" and Liney was the set up for a while until the second half of last year. I think Threets, Sale, and Santos can hold down the fort with some Pena thrown in to get the ball to Bobby. Harrell and Linebrink will have to fill the long relief role. QUOTE (Buehrlesque @ Aug 25, 2010 -> 05:48 PM) I believe Kenny is telling the truth. But does anybody else here wish that they actually TALKED on the phone, as opposed to exchanging a few texts? A conference call between Kenny, Ozzie and Coop, in which they discuss pros, cons and feelings about the situation, would seem to be more effective and leave less room for misunderstanding than short texts. Hasn't Santos been unreliable of late? Sale might be the key. Who cares if they texted or talked? They got the message across to each other just fine. They hate each other anyway. No need to speak to each other.

Good points but I still don't think people that are "admins" should insult people who are just trying to uh, start a new thread once in a while. Real crime to start a thread that guy doesn't agree with. Why doesn't he send me a PM rather than start something by insulting me. He could ask me in the PM to kill the thread if it was so bad and I'd have killed it. Don't worry I won't be starting any more threads.

The wrong call was not made. The correct call was made. You do not walk a righthanded hitting weakling with your righthanded pitcher to face a lefty. You just DON'T. I'm right on this one. Jason Kendall? Are you serious? Has he ever been intentionally walked in his life? The man is a horrible baseball hitter with probably the least amoun of pop in his bat than any regular in baseball. If anything, the outfield should have been in closer. That's right, Oz gets the blame for positioning the outfielders so the Oz haters win that argument again.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 11:50 PM) Ha, take your ball and go home then. The sabes people can figure things out and stuff and make new threads about it. How can somebody in authority on a site be so rude? I don't get it. That's like a manager of a restaurant telling you to f*** off if you don't like the uncooked steak.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2010 -> 08:40 PM) Basically yes. The defense hardly presented a case. Wow. What a waste of effort. Was the final defense talk to the jury this simple?: "Ladies and gents of the jury, my client is an idiot. He, in fact, is a moron, who runs his mouth and for some reason has a huge ego despite that ridiculous haircut. This man is not a criminal. He is ego driven, but basically stupid and harmless to society. He's also now out of money and out of office, so let him go. Thank you, jury."

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 10:41 PM) Kendall also owns Linebrink in his career. And I don't consider someone making 4 million dollars as being overpaid. That happens with numerous relievers. Fathom, you know darn well you'd have crucified Oz had he walked one of the weakest hitters in baseball to get to Kila, a lefty, and Kila gotten a hit. You just would have. Please admit it. That said, I do like the fact you are willing to criticize Rios. As far as his salary, $4 million and no highlights the past two seasons. He is pathetic. He's the Kotsay of our pitching staff.

I have my take on it. I was asking for others' takes. What is a message board for? Oh, I know. To never have a new thread. My post was no different than having a poll. I just didn't make it as a poll.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 10:02 PM) He's saying you should do more research on your own instead of asking everybody. I give up. For a mod to post what he did, to discourage discussion is beyond me. Thanx for your post, chw. I read your take.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 12:25 PM) why do you always ask other people to figure things out for you in posts? Why would you waste your time with a post like this? Did my post offend you? You start a post to get some discussion going on here and a mod tells me that? Is trying to be educated against your beloved rules? I'm glad you aren't in charge of bringing traffic to my business. Thanks for the posts caufield and chw. I read yours. Thanx.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 24, 2010 -> 02:11 AM) Kila is terrible! He's this board's version of Hawk's crush on Randy Ruiz. If Ozzie would have f***ing walked Jason Weakling Kendall and pitched to Kila and the lefty Kila beat us, which he would have, Ozzie would have been fried on here (and rightly so). I repeat, Kila would have hit one of the longest home runs in KC history. Jason Kendall is a weak piece of s***. Linebrink can't retire Jason Kendall with the game on the line? We deserve to lose. You don't pitch around a weakass righty to face a lefty there. There have been some bad overpaid players in Sox history, Linebrink is right up there with the worst of them.