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I don't even have to get involved in this one. This was not a good example on the cheating topic. You are gonna get owned on this one.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:47 PM) We can be semi-objective when we look at the dropped third strike controversy can't we? Yes we can be objective. He made a smart play. He didn't cheat.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:41 PM) I suppose you enjoy watching your games in silence and like to enjoy a cup of tea rather than a cold beer? You sound like a real downer to hang around with.... I said it might be funny to do it when Ozzie comes out to take a pitcher out if we're winning. It's just not a good idea. Our fan base doesn't need to chant Manny when a Sox player is at the plate. It's not funny and it's bitter and it doesn't help us win. Not to pile on, but why not just reconsider and admit it was a bad idea. I've said I was wrong many times.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:36 PM) Timo Perez cheated and so did Pablo Ozuna, should we get our 2005 WS trophy revoked? Oh noes! Hell, you can even say that A.J. cheated to help us win the World Series. Does your first line even deserve a comment? AJ cheated?

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:33 PM) He's not a cheater if he plays for the white sox. Again, throw out all your WS gear and stop watching baseball if you don't want cheaters. What are you talking about? I'm not throwing out any gear. Who all cheated in '05 anyway?

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:32 PM) They should chant Manny when Guillen comes out of the dugout to replace the pitcher. That would be better and kind of funny. Still might not be so good if we are losing or it's a close game. Ozzie might laugh. Or he could flip off the crowd which could finally cost him his job.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:30 PM) Trust me, Kotsay does most of the embarrassing when he is at the plate. No one is better at embarrassing Kotsay than Kotsay himself. Trust me, doing that does nobody any good except make our fan base look like a bunch of f***ing morons, no disrespect intended.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:27 PM) WIN GAMES. It's entertainment. Save the morality and ethics soapbox for yourself and your children. What soapbox? I'm stating my opinion that I don't want the cheater. You say you want him. You save your win at all costs soapbox for yourself and your family.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:24 PM) The point is that Manny is replacing Kotsay (hopefully), thus we chant "Man-ny" when Kotsay comes up so he realizes he is about to lose his job. Sounds hilarious to me. I hope it happens. yeah it's always good to embarrass a guy wearing the White Sox jersey. Really productive in mocking our own team while trying to beat the Yankees. Very smart. Oh, so funny as well.

The cheating is most of it, but I also simply have hated him as a me-first asshole type player. I'm not suddenly going to approve of him just cause he's wearing our jersey. That said, I'll root for us to win with him as Albert Belle was the biggest prick in the history of baseball and I still wanted us to win.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:11 PM) Why? You got man love for Kotsay or something? Why not just chant it when every hitter comes up? I don't think it will help anything, just make it seem like the Sox are insecure and want a cheater on the team.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:08 PM) God I hope so, that would be awesome! No it wouldn't.

If the Sox and Twins series go as planned we could be out of it more than the Dodgers by Tuesday. Would we still want Manny if we lose all 3 to NY and the Twins win all 3 vs. Seattle?

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:44 PM) Wank wank wank......... get off your goddamn high horse. Enjoy your sanctimonious all-clean LAST PLACE team. There's room for you on the North side, where they don't care where they finish. No. I will ride the horse as much as I want.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:29 PM) Enough with the "stupid". I wasn't trying to pick a fight, Greg. My point was that you say any and all cheating to wrong. Longshot's post was meant to be partly funny and...aw forget it. It's not worth it. I thought longshot was serious and you as well. my bad.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:24 PM) BNightengale #mlb #dodgers GM Ned Colletti on moving trading Manny Ramirez: "Not inclined to move anyone so long as we have a chance.'' 3 minutes ago damn you Ned Please be true. Or at least don't give up any player in our system who has a chance to be a MLB standout.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:22 PM) To Sox fans. There's been no outrage over Ozzie's statement about that, except on here. It didn't make headlines. Because the media and fans know "Ozzie is Ozzie." I think Ozzie is class. Prove to me otherwise.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:18 PM) I find it so ironic that you want the Sox to win with class yet you are so in love with Ozzie. Most fans outside of Chicago would call him a classless jerk. Are you serious? They call Ozzie a classless jerk? I have seen NO EVIDENCE of that besides Moronotti. Fans in Kansas City I talk to love Ozzie. What has he done to be deemed a classless jerk? Are you fricking serious? Ozzie says f*** a lot ... so do a lot of managers.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:07 PM) People looking for morality in sports are looking for it in the wrong place. I'll root for an ex-terrorist if I have to, I real don't care. QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:08 PM) None of that has to do with steroids which appears to be what you're freaking out about. And again, if you are so opposed to it, then burn all your Sox gear and stop watching the team and baseball in general. So many players used it that its stupid to hate the 1 or 2 that got caught and not the hundreds more that are still playing and did it too. That's where we differ, chw. Win and do it with class. As far as Jenks post. Take your ball and go home. That's such an easy argument. It's not that simple. I said I'd boo him once, then grudgingly root for him helping us win and feel dirty doing so. He wouldn't be the reason we won it all if we did win it all; it would take a lot more than Manny. He'll be embraced early; who in LA is talking about Mannywood now? They want that bum long gone! Just as we will if he's here long enough. I've been a Sox fan a long time. Just because they add one bum doesn't mean I have to burn my jersey and hat.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:04 PM) Do people not realize that Konerko is having almost as good a season as Joey Votto? I hit Manny 5th, you need that speed in front of Konerko to see the fastballs which he is crushing. Paul Konerko is the ultimate professional. He does things quietly. He is a hero. A good role model IMO.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:03 PM) One question, Greg: Are you saying you've never sped while driving, fudged some numbers on a tax return, jaywalked? Longshot's post was a bit inflammatory, but I got the point. How many guys do you think were on steroids before the testing became so prominent? I would imagine a lot more than we might think. It's shallow and stupid to try to justify his acquisition by the questions you ask. In answer to your questions. Yes, I've sped while driving and had some tickets. No I've not fudged a tax return, ever. Yes I've jaywalked. What the f*** does that have to do with this? We can disagree on his character but cheating is wrong.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 09:00 PM) it wasn't against the rules. how about all the players of the past who used greenies before a game? better build a big fire to burn all those sox jerseys. If Manny is beyond criticism, why did somebody say Farmer always blasts him? My position is not unique. I'd prefer to not have the bum on my team. I personally would want to boo him in his first plate appearance then cheer for him because he is only one player on a team. I don't like what he stands for. He flaunts his me-first attitude more than most players. Frank Thomas, Paul Konerko equal great hitters and class. Manny? Great hitter and a bum.

QUOTE (Jenks Heat @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:55 PM) What are you trying to prove here? I get your point you don't like PED users but than you need to stop being a fan a baseball as there is no way of knowing who has and has cheated. The "clean" Sox never existed as Jose Canseco was a member of this team. It is a part of the game and the Sox are just trying to win as that brings people to the game not that and only that. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:55 PM) Haven't you noticed who has taken the majority of DH at-bats this season? That decision was way more stupid than acquiring Manny Ramirez would be. I'm not trying to prove anything. He pissed me off when he said he condones doing everything illegal as long as winning results. I was responding to his disgusting post. Stupid may not be the right word. I'll say disgusting, appalling, disgraceful instead of stupid, cause you are right, he may help us win.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:52 PM) You mean old people? QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:53 PM) You have got to be kidding... 95% of your posts are saying the team has done something stupid. So young people like cheaters? What's that all about? Young people have no morals or something? I don't get the criticism. Again, I guess I feel honored people know more about my posts than I do. I can't tell you about anybody's posts and you all know what I post? I guess I'm that influential. Very cool.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 27, 2010 -> 08:50 PM) There is a lot of booing and negativity on facebook in regard to the news of Sox claim Manny. You would think average facebook fan wouldn't care about Steroids, any chance he gets booed if he plays for W Sox ? That would be cool if he got booed. It would show me again, Sox fans are the best. Not sheep who just cheer when we are supposed to cheer for the new guy/cheater. I'd say boo him once then have him help us win and cheer his performance but feel dirty doing so.