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I can't believe the Sox go through this all the time. They get left to praying for the Twins to suddenly suck when all the Sox had to do was play better baseball against s***ty teams before we get to this point. It makes it all that important to beat the Royals, Indians (nice job in finally sweeping Cle) and Tigers and at least go .500 vs. the Twins if we hope to win the division. I wonder what the odds are of us winning the division are right now when you take into consideration the fact Minnie has a much easier schedule.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 2, 2010 -> 01:59 AM) I got really hammered once and didn't know what to do so I called Ozzie for advice. He suggested I get in my car and drive home. Since I didn't die or get arrested it was good advice and the smart thing to do. I don't see why sitting Manny on a night he flew all day with a day game the next day all against the worst team in the league was a bad thing to do. Also some reporters have suggested the bum didn't even WANT to play. We won the game he sat; we won the game he played. We won. I also can't believe some Sox fans are to the point they second guess after victories. It used to be that winning the game shut everybody up. Not some Sox fans. Winning erases all second guessing or it should, at least. You guys all played sports. Didn't you just feel GREAT when your team won? No matter if you went 0-for-4 or in basketball had six points and six turnovers on a night the team won?? I felt great at getting the W and still do as a fan of the Sox. The manager always gets the last laugh when there's a W.

I say he either stays with us for a discount or joins the Angels or BoSox, likely the Angels. Could somebody make me a Pauliepalooza sign and put it after all my posts? Thanks.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 2, 2010 -> 02:58 AM) Just watched the replay of the game. If Sox had lost that game on a Choo homer, Teahen's error would have been one of the worse Sox errors in a long time. How much does Teahen make per season? Glad it's not my money. The Twins win again. They are amazing. Four games is a lot to make up. We better not lose again on a night they win or we're really f***ed.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 2, 2010 -> 03:04 AM) Manny didn't fill out the lineup card in LA. Torre did. I don't mind guys standing up for their favorite players. I have stood up for the likes of Wise and Dye and Jenks and AJ. But let me ask you. Did you like Manny before he became a White Sox or just now that he is wearing the uniform? I mean I cheer for the uniform in Manny's case, just not the guy in it. If you loved Manny before, more power to ya. I just don't see how anybody can't be skeptical about a guy who many in baseball, not just me, think is a bum.

You guys mock me for blasting Manny, but that is the perception. I just heard Jayson Stark driving to work on national radio tonight and he said he couldn't understand how fans embrace this guy. He said it was a disgrace how he behaved in quitting on the Dodgers. Said nobody knows if he's a good hitter or not cause he has not played much this year and frankly didn't want to play. This guy was getting worked up and said he hated players who disrespect the game, like Manny. He said, "How hard is it to put winning above your own personal interests. It's only about Manny." I'm not the only person who thinks Manny is a rotten egg.

QUOTE (IceCreamPants @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 10:26 PM) When things go badly no one and absolutely no one gets away from fans giving them s***. Its the way it is and the way it wll always be. If you want the other side of that then the Cubs are the team for you. They give no s***zs. I know, but we are scoring all these runs and I frankly haven't seen one mention of Walker.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 10:17 PM) A depression is in general a 10% drop in GDP or a recession lasting longer than 2 years. Neither of those states apply to the U.S. I don't like what is going on and I think the president should declare a state of emergency on the economy. All I know are people getting canned. This link is scary on depression in 2011. http://www.businessinsider.com/23-doomsaye...-in-2011-2010-5

I just wanted to give him a shout out since he catches so much s*** when the offense sucks.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 10:05 PM) You should see if ESPN is hiring analysts. With almost 10 percent of Americans out of work, I doubt they are hiring. I wonder when they are going to start calling this a depression and not a recession.

Give that man a raise. Walker, that is.

QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 08:46 PM) Someone will offer PK 3 years and it's not going to be the White Sox, unfortunately. Who is going to offer him 3 years? All the people on here who say it's a big risk to do that, et. all, why are we assuming some team will do it? Do they not fear his age and his hip like some on here? If not, why not? I guess some teams just have that money to burn. Maybe Paulie is willing to sign for 7-8 mill a year for 2 years. The Sox won't pay that? What are the BoSox or Spankees going to pay him? Are they willing to pay him 15 mill a year for 3 years as he hits the final stages of his career? The final years of Big Hurt's career were not pretty bouncing around. Why wouldn't he sign for a reasonable amount to remain in Chicago where he can hang around forever after his career ends? Is Reinsdorf not going to approve a significant 2 year deal when he'll pay Manny what he's paying him for a month of service or maybe 2 mos?

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 03:15 PM) It's like having the right answer to a math question but no work shown. You might have gotten lucky with the result, but you didn't prove that you know what you're talking about. QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 09:08 PM) We won the game! How can you criticize Ozzie? QUOTE (VAfan @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 09:28 PM) Kotsay drew the walk that became the tying run yesterday in the 8th. VaFan with the slam dunk. Nice job. The bottom line is winning. We won the game. From the account I read from Passon, Manny uh didn't really want to play yesterday anyhow. Believe whom you want. We won all 3 games which means they were well managed games. We lose they are poorly managed games.

The key is having at least a 2 run lead in the ninth, preferably 3 or more.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:49 PM) Ozzie didn't make a great call in sitting Manny. Yes, we won the game, but we won because AJ hit a 3-run homerun. Kotsay (who Manny would have been playing in place of) had nothing to do with the 3 runs that led to the Sox win. I'm not saying Manny would have created any more runs, but Kotsay certainly didn't. As far as Ozzie goes, you can keep defending him and his sometimes idiotic decisions. Others on this board will call out Ozzie when he makes a bad decision. He's made plenty of bad decisions this year, and not playing Manny was another one...at least in my mind. So, let's agree to disagree. Thanks, Pitt. Nice post. I don't mind agreeing to disagree.

QUOTE (buckweaver @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:51 PM) That's exactly the point. If the Sox have an additional $4M to throw out for 30 games, management can no longer claim it's hard to recover when a big contract doesn't pan out. I also personally believe Konerkjo is the standard-bearer for the franchise and should be treated as such. As for "diminished range" and "Kasey Kotchman=comparable" noted in other posts...please...who have you been watching this year? That's how I feel. I also think he's as good a first baseman as you do. I actually love watching the guy play first base. Maybe cause I played it some along with third and I just loved scooping balls out and saving runs. The key is to make it look so simple and make it automatic and he does. He also has a great glove on grounders, must have great vision and "normally" fields everything so cleanly.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 08:34 PM) Like the 5/$60 deal Konerko signed as a 29 year old? QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 10:35 PM) We should be trying to sign this guy for a couple more years just like AJ Perzynski. It amazed me how much grief this guy took from some posters demanding his being traded and a sub par 1Bman QUOTE (bobryansson @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 10:44 PM) Affable guy, all about the team, never complains or makes excuses, hits home runs and for average, and gets what can be gotten at first. That's why his name is on the Sox jersey I wear. Great 3 posts. s*** he made 12 mill a year for five years? I would think a class act like Paulie might see the advantages to staying with one team his whole career and take another discount. I mean I doubt JR will try to low ball him beyond belief, so you'd think he'll still get tons of money and stay with the team he identifies with. That said, I know players always hop around to make the most loot (Johnny Damon) so anything's possible. Like the one poster said, "Pauliepalooza!"

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 09:02 PM) I said it both times and both times I was clearly joking, don't think having Manny behind doesn't help Paul getting more hittable pitches tho.. I know. I didn't mean you. I thought AJ especially got overlooked for his bomb. Manny didn't hit either one.

That actually should be the headline on all the game stories. He actually deserves that title and nickname and it even sounds better with all the p's.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 08:23 PM) Here's the list of guys currently on statues: Frank Thomas will have his there next year. Paul Konerko has been on this team for 11+ years now. He keyed a world series run and was the ALCS MVP that year, He's basically 2nd on the White Sox career offensive production list right now (HR, RBI) behind the Hurt, he produced more than several of the guys with statues already. His statue is assured. Post of the season. Great post. I like the line: HIS STATUE IS ASSURED.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 08:16 PM) The most impressive thing is that he pitched over the most made-to-order DP in the history of the game and didn't blink or make excuses, then let the game get away from him. You know Carlos Zambrano would have flipped out there. He was aiming the ball a little bit after the 2 walks, his radar readings then were "only" 93-94-95 (versus 95-100, consistently 97). What's most impressive is his ability to already control a much better slider than Thornton...and from what everyone says, his change-up might be his best pitch, and he's not even using that out of the bullpen. I realize Chapman and Henry Rodriguez with Oakland are getting a ton of hype too, but I can't think of two more impressive arms joining the White Sox (E-Jax, too) in the span of 2-3 months that didn't exist at the beginning of the season in our imaginations. A lot of scouts would take Chapman over Sale, and there are going to be concerns about his durability because of his slight frame and his mechanics/delivery...but we should just enjoy it while it lasts. Sale took down the toughest hitter on the Indians in Choo and Ozzie/Cooper had their faith in both Santos and Sale. Proves that Ozzie will trust a rookie, although the choice was pretty obvious to most. Right now, with Jackson, Danks, Floyd, Buehrle, Peavy and Sale, we have a combination of the the best six potential starters collected anywhere in MLB. There's no debate about it. Quite a turnaround from June 9th when many thought our talent was in the bottom 5-10 teams in MLB. Great post caufield, especially the last paragraph about the 6 potential starters. Hopefully it will all click next season and we'll run away with it.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 07:23 PM) Paul hits a HR here and Manny gets credit for protecting him in the on deck circle haha. Great post. Danman with the call before it happened. I love those in the threads the last two nights who have given Paulie and AJ their props for actually being the ones, to you know, hit it out of the park. Great win, kudos to Paulie, Sale, Rios, etc. I'm not going to go overboard and credit Manny for Paulie's and AJ's homers. A lot of people thought AJ would hit into a DP and Paulie is simply an MVP candidate, baby! Go Soxxxx!! Keep winnin.

Another good rip piece on Manny by Passon on the cover of yahoo. He would only speak in Spanish today, even though he has no problem with English. Cora who had to translate said he had no idea why Manny insisted on Spanish. He also intimated it was Manny's call not to play cause of the early wake up call.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 05:47 AM) Oh my goodness, this is Chris Young all over again. I'm not sure how anyone could fault the price paid for this guy at this point. Bottom line is, we were very confident we could turn Edwin into a nasty pitcher for us, without much of an adjustment period. We have done exactly that. What we were not sure of, was what we had in Hudson. But let's face it, he showed very little signs of being the guy he has been in AZ when he was here. Just like Edwin looked nothing like the guy he was in AZ since he has been here. Can't we ever just say that the trade has worked out for both sides thus far? Sure, you can argue that we gave up the pre-arb player with no accumulated service time under his belt. But you can't say with any relative certainty that we would be getting out of him what AZ is getting out of him right now. You just can't. There were absolutely no signs of that this year in his 3 starts. So maybe we would have never gotten it. Maybe it would have taken three more starts before we got it. Maybe it would have happened just the way it has with AZ. But we didn't know that at the time. What we did know, was that we could get quality starts out of EJ, and we have. So just let it be for what it is. We acquired a guy who has pitched to a 1.36 ERA (or whatever it is) and has eaten innings and been absolutely filthy while doing it. If I would have told you what Edwin would do in his first 5 starts for us at the time we made the Hudson trade, I doubt any of you would have been against pulling the trigger. Shack makes a good point, but he sure seemed like a guy that was a salary dump and many of us hate giving up Hudson for him. But you are right. If Jackson keeps this up into next season it will be hard to complain about this deal. He certainly has done a great great job.

Then I'm copying every other poster on here. I've been victimized by the same thing, people misrepresenting my posts and/or not remembering my position on things.