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QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 08:53 PM) I don't get it..it's like Ozzie only cares if they're in RISP, and doesn't see the benefit of getting a guy to 3rd with one out. This may sound dumb, but with Teahen's huge bat I think he would have f***ed up a bunt. But I hear where you all are comin from.

Frick. SHould he have scored from second? Nice hit Rios.

Nice hit by Manny. Gosh I don't like teahen.

But Hawk stopped moaning about it shortly after it was corrected. He handled it great I thought.

How can you guys not like Hawk? I think he's incredible. He's not the typical dull bland crummy announcer. He's great.

Why couldn't Gordon have laced a 2-out hit when the game was tied in the 8th. We may not have the magic today and every day is a must win with Minnesota cruising every single night.

QUOTE (MuckFinnesota @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 08:33 PM) So what if they missed that call, Hawk. They got it right in the end. Everyone knew it was foul and it was going to be corrected, so why did you continuously cry until they got it right? Go put another diaper on you f***ing baby. I thought his reaction was perfect. An announcer needs to freak out on such a s***ty call.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 08:30 PM) Just a long, hard foul. Hopefully AJP calls for an offspeed pitch here, as Sale doesn't have any zip on his fastball. Nice call by fathom.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 08:29 PM) One of the worst calls I have ever seen. Worse call in baseball history. 3-2 is a bad count, Mr. Sale.

We lose the pennant on a bad call.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 08:24 PM) Haha greg...isn't that first guessing? Oh I meant arm chair quarterbacking. You guys got that one wrong.

If Gordon woulda got the clutch hit, we'd be up 5-4 in the 8th.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 07:21 PM) This is brutal...they'll bring in Sale to face Kelly, and they'll use the more dangerous Raburn or Peralta. QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 07:21 PM) regardless of the outcome, i disagree with leaving ejax out there Shoulda been a DP you guys were wrong with that second guessing.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 05:11 PM) Greg you're speaking for hypothetical Sox fans you don't know. You think Soxtalk is rough? I think you'd be surprised to find what "regular Sox fans" think (I don't know why Soxtalk doesn't xount anyway) if you just started talking to random fans. They don't all think the same thing, and this love affair with Ozzie is kind of imaginary. Some love him some are sick of him and some don't care that much. Just like here. I think most fans as you say, "don't care that much." I think when a team is 15 over .500, that's the bottom line to most on whether somebody is doing a good job or not. Maybe not.

QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 03:54 PM) Because he's the team's best hitter. I can't judge too much on issues like rest and how banged up guys are, because I don't have that info. In other words, you don't second guess every single thing when you don't pretend to have the correct information at your disposal to base an opinion. Good for you.

QUOTE (T R U @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 07:44 AM) Martinez was a very weak 0-3 vs MB in the game up until that point.. is it really Ozzies fault that on a 3-1 count MB hung one? I get that Martinez has been great against lefties this season but MB was pitching a pretty good game and had been handling Martinez all day.. And while I can understand some frustrations with Ozzie he still has 2 division titles, a world series, and in contention for a third division title.. and considering our success (or lack there of) before Ozzie took over I don't get all the pro fire Ozzie people we have here.. Where does Ozzie get credit? He has to be doing something right, but it seems that he never does anything right according to the majority of the board.. Good post, Tru. I will never stop supporting Ozzie. So until they ban me he has a supporter here.

Yeah, he deserves a medal for his work. He is gooooodddddd. he's good.

Well that sucks. Hope he's OK. I thought he was a regular on the postgame show.

Great post caufield. I respect your posts. My major beef is this is not an issue anywhere besides this message board. Regular fans think Ozzie is fine. We are 16 f***ing games over .500 and just swept Boston on the road and some people are wanting him fired NOW. It is totally insane and is a MESSAGE BOARD PHENOMENON. It just is. It's ridiculous. He is a good manager. As proof of this I'll ask "Where is Rongey?" Me thinks he realizes we all are insane, f***ing insane and has left.

So after all these posts .... - You think Ozzie is a bad manager. - I think Ozzie is a great manager. They are opinions that will likely never change.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 02:18 AM) That's the funny part. You are expecting everyone to agree with you fully and if someone explains to you WHY you are simply incorrect, you take offense. Sorry, but you saying a win is automatically a well-managed game is simply 100% incorrect. Is that tame enough for you? I only take offense when somebody calls me a name like "uneducated" etc. That's not good. I don't expect everyone to agree with me fully. I totally respect those who get insanely mad when we bunt and give up an out. While I probably would rather not bunt NL style in the second inning on most occasions, I can understand Oz giving up an out in situations late in tie games, and some people have been mad at those bunts as well as those bunts early in games. I'm saying a win on the road is pretty f***ing impressive at Boston. I look at the big picture more than you do I guess. Winning 3 at Boston on a weekend the Twins won 3 vs. Texas in the big scheme of things was damn impressive and the manager is the one ultimately in charge. So kudos to Ozzie. Do you realize if Boston swept us, it woulda been OVA? We are on the precipice. If they sweep KC and we lose 3 to Detroit, it's also OVA.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 02:05 AM) Sorry I'm calling you that. But when you literally say that if we win it was automatically a well-managed game... you simply don't have any earthy idea what you are talking about. There's a screw loose SOMEWHERE... Take a valium. Drink a beer (not both together). Calm down, please. I accept your apology, then you come right back and say I don't know what I'm talking about and have a screw loose. In my responses to you, I have explained what I'm talking about. Dude, guys can disagree. You are not 100 percent right about this issue IMO even though you may think you are. Ozzie has a pretty darn good track record whether you believe it or not. He says some stupid s*** sometimes. He made a big mistake not re-signing Thome. Kotsay sucks and he's in love with him. Some might consider those fire-able offenses. Maybe they are fireable offenses. But I don't think his in-game decisions are nearly as bad as you do.

Please. I watch as many games as possible. I watch the games. Believe me, I am not the only person in America who thinks Guillen is a good manager. Granted not many on this board share my opinion, but there are Guillen supporters in the great city of Chicago. Please don't call me uneducated. That is very offensive. I have an advanced degree as well as my college bachelor's degree. I also am educated in life in supporting my own way through college and postgraduate school. Please. ....

QUOTE (joeynach @ Sep 5, 2010 -> 11:30 PM) Well I hope its really just a 1 or 2 game thing. Hes a bit up there in age so I worry a bit. Yeah, I worry about back injuries as well. And obviously he's having a helluva season.

QUOTE (TheBigHurt @ Sep 6, 2010 -> 01:35 AM) Yeah, because we were lucky enough to play like absolute s*** and beat a team that did the same, Ozzie is a great manager for no actual reason and guys like me are stupid for wanting the guy fired when he clearly has no idea what he's doing? Yeah, that's "reality," huh? "Average" fans? You mean the kind that don't understand anything about baseball? Are you TRYING to make yourself look bad? With people like you, nothing that every goes wrong is Ozzie's fault, but everything that goes right is attributed to him even if he has nothing to do with it. Also, we're 16 games over barely in contention in an abysmal division. Hey, I love the fact we came back in the 9th, but the truth is we are HORRID with RISP and our manager is clueless in his in-game managing, it's just that simple. "Non-reality?" Giving the manager credit for everything but refusing to admit his incompetence on the most obvious of f***-ups? THAT'S "non-reality." To quote a specific film, "Nothing you just said comes close to forming a rational thought. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul." My God, greg... what can I even say about you? Almost ALL your posts are sig worthy. You said in an earlier thread: "That means you are saying if Ozzie was being an unfit manager (which he is), they would fire him." How the f*** can you say for certain he is an "unfit manager." That's your opinion, fine. He has a WS title under his belt and other playoff appearances for one. For two, we are 16 over .500 with a mediocre team. Sir, I can guarantee you (even if you will disagree with me) that any manager we have you would be FURIOUS over decisions in losses by our manager. I guess we agree to disagree, but in any loss there are numerous decisions to second guess. I guess you think only Ozzie is guilty. I look at the big picture. He produces uh, wins. I kind of take offense to your last line. I am tempted to go off and start cussing but I will just calmly say that just because we disagree doesn't make me a buffoon and you a god. I would venture to say a majority of White Sox fans are satisfied with Guillen as manager. Ones that aren't probably don't like the s*** he's said in the press that have embarrassed the organization in the past. There I said something critical of Ozzie despite the fact you said I would never do that. I would suggest you chill on the personal attacks. I am not worthy of that last sentence you tagged on me, sir.