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I thought I was being kind to Manny, saying he could mentor Viciedo maybe on how to take some pitches once in a while.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:54 PM) Yes it is. Since only OPS appears to matter to you, let's use that. Back to back .865 OPS seasons in 2008-2009. Whoopty-do. That's a nice OPS if you don't strikeout 400 times in a season and score a pathetic 55 runs. Sure seemed to most of us that Big Jim was trending down pretty hard after the first 2 seasons. Why on earth would you simply average his 4 seasons to determine if he should come back? The trend said he was in sharp decline. Plus our team was what, 3rd to last in 2009 runs scored? I blame that on station to station baseball, a.k.a. White Sox Baseball post 2005, and I was sick of it. So was Ozzie. I'm not happy with Kotsay either but I sure didn't want that wastepit known as Jim Thome back. He just kills momentum like it's his job. Great to have somebody remind us of what actually was happening on this board. Thome was getting reamed and the Sox reamed for station to station baseball. But it still all comes back to Ozzie anyway. He wanted Kotsay and for that the Oz haters will never forgive him til the day he is sxpunged from their lives and becomes Florida's manager where he will excel as he did here.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 11:10 PM) I thought they rushed him back a tad too early myself. Like fathom said...his swing has looked pretty feeble the past few days. Why play him if he can't swing the bat. I have no problem with Omar manning 2B for as long as he needs to. Personally against Beckett, Ozzie should have gone Omar at 2B and Teahen at 3B anyway... Omar second. Viciedo third, not Teahen please.

I love Viciedo, but I've been scared when somebody said his upside could be that of Uribe. Maybe Manny can help him. Manny seems to be a free swinger as well, who is not allergic to walking once in a while.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 09:07 PM) You're right, he's been worse. His blown save in the first Twins series after the ASB seemed to change the entire momentum of the season for the Twins. Also, his inability to stay healthy during the 2nd half of the season led to the increased usage of Thornton and Putz, which could have contributed to their ineffectiveness and injuries. Let's just hope Sale manages to stay healthy and avoids a serious injury. I disagree fully. The other Sox "closers" have imploded as well, giving me the impression they'd have blown a s***load of games before losing the job themselves. I stand by giving Jenks a C or B-. You seriously think Putz can close regularly? Or Thornton? Or Sale? Sale is the new flavor. Maybe he will be dominant for 10 years like Rivera. We shall see. I love his stuff. I hope he dominates forever. I stand by my rating of Bobby Jenks. I disagree on the momentum of the season crap. As a Sox fan my whole life I've heard about the game that turned around the momentum of our season for the worst. That's been a staple of being a Sox fan, at least in my lifetime of being a fan. Always the lousy shocking loss that killed our season or propelled some other team to the title. The year we won it all? There was no f***ing momentum of the season, either. We almost blew the title in the last few weeks of the regular season. Roberts hitting the ball into orbit was no different from any other Sox implosion. They all suck. Minnesota didn't need that exciting win to magically make the Twins amazing. They've been good for oh, about 10 years now.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 08:14 PM) Greg got mad and up in arms because people were booing him when he was having the bad year. Greg cannot accept that a player can be booed, because this must mean that the boo-er is saying that they hate the player, not the performance. Hence, everyone on Soxtalk "brutalized" Konerko except for greg. Yeah I remembered he got the harsh treatment on here.

Was it two years ago or 3? I forget. Konerko was brutalized on here. I stood up for him like I did Dye last year and Jenks this year. People wanted him out. It was that one season where he had a bad second half I think. It must have been 07. People on here don't really take injuries into account if you are still playing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 07:44 PM) This is the equal to 27 out of 31 for Bobby Jenks. I'd still give Bobby a C or B- for the season. He's not been as bad as some say.

Actually the Ozzie haters might hope Thome does brutalize us and we still win the three games. Ozzie seems pretty sensitive over the Thome issue and he might have a blowup of epic proportions in the media if Thome has 3 big games and he keeps getting asked about it. When Oz blows up, there's always the risk he'll do something that'll finally get him fired which would please oh, so many on here for some reason.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 01:15 PM) You keep praising the Twins every day saying we have no chance. Why do you bother watching anymore? Why would I stop watching? You ever read a game thread? People in there say "It's Ovah" when we fall behind in the third inning. I think we have a good shot at the WC, just not the division title. It's the Twins' year unfortunately. I hope I'm wrong. You know how wrong people have been on this board this year? So many people BURIED Beckham early and demanded he be sent down. They were so sick of watching him fail. People wanted AJ out of town and he's rallied pretty well. A couple years ago people BURIED Konerko. So don't act like everybody on here always has the faith. I can be a fan and strongly believe the Twins will win the Central.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 03:31 PM) Don't wow me boy; like you know something I don't. Laughable. My point is valid. I get it, you wanted Thome back. Well I didn't so deal with it, along with my explanation. Deal with it all. Why can't you just let the man's memory rest peacefully? Must you continually look back with those hindsight goggles strapped so tightly to your face? Good post Jerk. Lots of people brutalized Thome on here last year. They just won't admit it now. Thome is their way of having ammo to get rid of Ozzie, which is the real issue for some. Fire the manager is always the easy way out. Wait til we're 16 below .500 some year. Wow are they gonna be wanting Ozzie out then. And it ain't over yet. You better believe Thome is going to want to have another big series vs. the Sox in the Cell.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 04:09 PM) 191 outs given up. 17 games over .500. Still in hunt for WC berth.

Oh come on. Ozzie hurting your feelings? You're not used to Ozzie by now? Insulting the fanbase? That one deal got NO PLAY anywhere but on this board. You're hatred of Ozzie to me is as old as my love of Ozzie/Jenks to others.

That ain't a bad idea. Same ol' same ol might mean 2-3 losses. I think we all know Thome is ready to rock us. Might be nice to throw Mark and Danks for that reason.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 05:27 AM) You're such an odd mix of positive thoughts and unfettered pessimism. I think we have a much better shot at WC. No way in hell KC wins one of the four in Minnie.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 05:37 AM) Most of us were on board with Damon over Thome. Heck, even the name Hank Blalock was bandied around. Thome may have been on the list of people we wanted over Kotsay but he wasn't at the top of the list. Thome got roasted on here a lot last year. Especially in game threads before we sent him to LA.

I consider the Central lost. It's WC or bust, baby. Go Sox for the WC.

The Cardinals fans think they are still in it and aren't they six out? Damn, we may have a better chance of WC than division. I think that's gonna be over soon. They win all four vs. KC and we're hosed.

I thought those games were in KC. My god. The Twins are going to win all four. Geezus.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 7, 2010 -> 12:29 AM) agreed. it gawn Thanks, sir.

Yeah but I don't go for one or two "turning points" We sucked in April and May. We couldn't beat KC, Cleveland or Detroit. The O's kicked our ass. We had other late inning implosions. But I know (not talking about you) after the season Jenks and Guillen/Kotsay/Thome will take the full blame for our placing second. Never mind all those games Jenks did save.

Please kill the last post. It's disgusting. Yuk.

Geez, get those 2 guys off the board. Gross.

True, but April and May hurt as well. The game Roberts hit the ball into orbit for a walkoff hurt just as much. I think that was off Putz.

My guess is we'll be talking about Thome on here til the day Oz gets fired. And when that happens we will finally move on. Til then, unfortunately it's Thome-time, baby, and the worst of it may be yet to come. He could pour more dirt on our grave in that 3 game series at the Cell.