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I say work with Viciedo all winter on his defense at third and he is the starting third baseman next year. Lillibridge proved hitting wise that you can reinvent yourself over the winter. Can't Viciedo do the same on the defensive end? Take him somewhere warm starting in midJanuary and work on his defense for a month til spring training starts. I would think the Tank can become an adequate third baseman. He already has to be as good as Teahen defensively. If Tank can't be adequate at third, then I guess we sink. But we already know Mark T can't be our regular third baseman if we hope to be a contender for the division title.

If the Sox lose one game to the Royals this weekend, they should have a ceremonial throwing in of the towel at the conclusion of said game.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 12:44 PM) The problem with trading him away is that you need another team who wants him at that price. There's no reason to pay 1/2 of his deal to make him go away. That's what I hate about baseball contracts. Linebrink has not helped this team at all but we have to keep him around to pay him. Now the same with Teahen. Why not pay 1/2 his deal to make him go away? Don't you all agree his approach at the plate is horrible and he is a K waiting to happen at all times?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 04:14 PM) I think it's because they wanted to cut Uribe's salary from 2008 more than 20% if they were to bring him back...as they didn't envision paying starter money for a back-up (which, ironically, is exactly what they're now doing with Teahen). I know Buehrle offered at least $1 million of his money to the FO to keep Juancito around. I like your posts caufield, but I find this one hard to believe. Players don't donate a million dollars to keep anybody around but immediate family members. I mean, cmon. Juan Uribe? Offering a million of your own salary to keep a guy like Juan Uribe?

QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 06:09 PM) I'm actually interested to see/hear if there will be any boos from some of the sox faithful. No boos. Manny is old news now and the team is close to being yesterday's news as well. If we don't sweep KC, as Minnie did with no problem, the yawns will continue. There will be plenty of boos for the team if we lose tonight, though. Minnie kicked the living s*** out of KC. If we play around with the Royals and lose, we will hear boos. But not for Manny. He's already been with the team for a week or so. He's old news.

How can a great country like ours have 10 percent unemployment? What the f*** is going on?

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 9, 2010 -> 11:46 AM) Hmmmm which one of these doesnt fit into the equation I think Garland is a good pitcher. All three of these guys would be decent additions to our staff.

I concede he seems like a great guy, but I don't know how he made it to the big leagues. His defense is pathetic. He thinks he's a power hitter swinging that massive Soriano-sized bat. He needs to re-do his game, the way Lilly apparently worked on his last offseason.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 04:32 AM) Konerko LOVES Thome, so it wouldn't be a ridiculous idea. If Konerko negotiates with the Twins, the Sox will have to overpay big time just to keep him. The PR hit the Sox take if Paulie signs with Minnesota should be monumental. You might as well just concede the title to the Twins if they have both Konerko and Thome sticking it to the Sox every chance they get.

For some reason that book does not interest me. I picture him being a big windbag.

Good. So you agree it's good for me to still talk about Bobby. I still worship Bobby in a non religious way.

Thanks SII. I most agree with your first point: You said: "Not really. I thought he was asking a legitimate question and trying to stir conversation." Dat's what I was trying to do. To me it is the single puzzling thing about our team.

Is that only one lefthanded hitter in your starting lineup? I could see some prolonged team slumps with little lefthanded pop.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 01:59 AM) One of the more under-reported stories during ST was that Konerko said he thought it would be time to leave the organization after this season. I was amazed there wasn't a lot of talk about it in the media. Due to his success this season, I say its 50/50 if he returns. I'd love to see him back, but if he's going to get 3/30 this offseason, I wish him luck. I could see him leaving as well. He might actually want that change of scenery. The warm and fuzzies of 05 are over and he might want to go to a team with a better shot at winning. Our team is simply bizarre. That was one, weird season. We were s*** for so long then had one amazing stretch and then a return to mediocrity, even though that 7 game win streak wasn't exactly conceding. But after winning seven we immediately drop 3 to Detroit. Weird weird team. He might want to try things somewhere else. I hope he decides to sign his last contract in Chicago, however, but I could see why he would want a change of scenery. I'd really like to see this team keep the starting rotation intact and go young elsewhere. Is anybody else not in love with Pierre and Omar despite their terrific seasons? I wish Flowers was not a bust because that would be a spot we could get younger. It's imperative we get rid of Teahen somehow. No serious contender can win with a guy who is that much of a butcher in the infield. I could see keeping Quentin and Manny, even though Manny could lose interest as he did in LA. Rios, Paulie, Quentin, Manny, Alexei and Beckham on paper aren't a bad little group of hitters to go with all those (on paper) excellent pitchers. I still love Ozzie, but this team needs to get its s*** together. We're like 14 games over .500 which is darn good, but to me, it seems like we were much worse if that makes any sense. Will our rotation next year finally be dominant? Can Sale, Thornton and Sergio and Putz kick ass in the pen? I don't see why not, except they ain't done it yet. I also stil love Bobby but he also needs a change of scenery. I think he'll do well wherever he lands. Won't save every game but he'll do well. I hope any guys we lose DO NOT SIGN WITH CENTRAL DIVISION TEAMS.

QUOTE (shrek @ Sep 9, 2010 -> 04:00 PM) Thome and Jenks are completely different situations. Thome is a player that was very productive and that could have been had very cheaply, but the manager botched it an hindered the team. Jenks is an overpaid player who is under performing and isn't really helping the team. It is completely understandable that people defend Thome and bash Jenks. My point was that both topics are equally old news on here.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 9, 2010 -> 04:46 PM) You are referring to Jimmy Piersall, one time great outfielder. He did so much crazy s***, you should read about him. He once got kicked out of a game when he ran back and forth in CF while Ted Williams was at bat. He got in a fight with Billy Martin BEFORE a game, got ejected once and then went and changed clothes, got into a seat behind the plate and started heckling the ump! And that's just scratching the surface. After one rant on a telecast Harry turned to him and said, "Jimmy, you're nuts." and Piersall said "Yep, and I've got the papers to prove it." He was sent to the psychiatric ward a few times in his career. Good stuff. But I'm actually not referring to Jimmy. Harry had another color man who took the fall for the two being very critical. He wasn't a former player, either. The two had a great conversation during a rain delay and after the season that color man never came back.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 9, 2010 -> 07:46 PM) Manny's been here for like 27 seconds and he's already been a waste of 4 million. Not singling him out or anything. But our season is just about over and he hasn't even had a chance to make a legitimate impact. We acquired him too late. Sox have a lot of work to do in the offseason. Will be hard to improve the team if we don't trade any of our starters and I assume we still want a rotation of Mark, Jackson, Floyd, Danks and Peavy which on paper will be very good. Man with Sale and Thornton and Putz and maybe Jenks ... on paper that's a worldbeater staff. But we know how on paper doesn't mean s*** when it comes to the White Sox, who can't beat teams in their own division.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 9, 2010 -> 07:32 PM) Jenks just seems to break down during the 2nd half way too often. Thankfully, this is the last year we'll have to worry about this, as there's absolutely no way you bring him back for the money he'll want. Once again, I sure hope he doesn't go to a team in our division. He'll own us.

Teahen just doesn't have a position. He simply sucks at third. He's bad in right. He's not even good at second. Bad bad acquisition. Again, he'd be OK to play once a week assuming he doesn't cost us that game ever week with his glove. I just think we can't afford to keep him around, especially if Omar retires and we start him at third. Him playing everyday will show up regularly in the won/loss column if he's in the field somewhere.

I don't want to comment on Wise now. His defense was good at least. I contend that a sieve and ragarm like Teahen can really cost you games playing third base. Wise started a while, then was a reserve. I got no problem with Mark if he is a once a week player. If you think him being a starter at third or right field or first base won't kill us next year, I disagree. He is not good enough to start on a contender.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 9, 2010 -> 04:47 AM) Money is in every decision, baseball teams have a finite amount they can spend or are willing to spend. It's a business, for better or for worse, but it is. Still, a player has to fit the model of the team, thus Teahen on the Pirates makes little sense unless they feel they can improve his game enough to trade him later. They want to go young, and while Teahen isnt really that old he doesnt really fit their MO right now (atleast from what I can tell). A team that may be interested in the offseason is the Yankees, where they can take a risk like Teahen, just like Swisher, and put him in a utility role which really favors him more. I would still think we'd have to pay most of his salary if we deal him, unless some big market team actually would want him and pay that money for a utility guy. I have no idea how much profit the White Sox organization makes in a single year, but if there is a significant profit, they should count their losses and move on from Mark. He's not good enough to be DH and he's a butcher.

Good point coolman. It just seems like yesterday they were in the Cup finals.

If he was smart he would have his own business teaching the knuckleball. Guys like Wilhelm and Wakefield can pitch forever if they develop an effective flutterball.

I would think we would just simply dump Teahen or trade him to the Pirates and pay all but $500,000 of his salary. If not dump Teahen ... can the White Sox justify keeping him and making him a once a week guy? It's obvious no matter where you put him, he is not a good enough defensive player to be on the roster of a so called contender. Who cares about the money? Just dump him or demote him to a Sunday lineup guy. I am assuming the answer to my question is we have to start Teahen because of his salary, just as we had to keep pitching Linebrink cause of his guaranteed salary. I'm saying eating Teahen's salary should be a no brainer.

What up with Zack this season?