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I will say Rios didn't "appear" to go balls out after that shot. Maybe he misjudged it. He had his glide on. This time to no avail. I do respect Fathom for blasting Rios this season. From what I can tell, he's the only person to go there.

s*** we might win tomorrow if we play Morel, Lilly, Flowers, Dayan and start Sale. Why not? Why give the Twins the pleasure of beating our regulars again in a big series? The scrubs might actually win. 5-11 vs. Minnie.

So we are 7 out. Time to play the younguns.

What a beatdown. We uh, led, 3-2 in this one? Sox are so dysfunctional.

QUOTE (bobryansson @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 03:43 AM) The fact of this is true. I'm sure he'd be happy to hear it and I'm sure he will always love 2005. We all will. The implication that he, or the players, don't care is not a consequence of that, though. The players do care as much as any big league team cares. We just can't beat the Twins and we also suck overall vs. the Central. Blowout in game one of the big series.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 03:43 AM) He'll keep playing to justify the 175k he makes per game. He can justify it just by showing up to the park and eating sunflower seeds in the dugout. Let Viciedo DH and learn how to walk. Let Flowers catch everyday and see if he can rap a few hits. Let that new guy play third every day, Morel.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 03:37 AM) I feel like Manny has hit one ball hard all year, and that was against Valverde. After this series, really no need to play Manny any more. Next.

QUOTE (bobryansson @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 03:37 AM) The players performance, though not right now what we want, is not because they are lazy or don't care. Baseball's hard and they're playing better than most everybody. They are going to win around 90 games. They've even played well recently. Twins have just played lights out. We do have young talent. Some perspective. Hindsight is always easy. They're still my team, and I get frustrated, sure, but I love 'em. That's why I say the Sox "plan" is always to be competitive and hope for a ton of career years. I don't think the Sox are ever going to want to "rebuild" cause with our fan base if we are out of it on June 1, it means horrible horrible crowds all summer. This offseason isn't going to be a good one for me, cause how can any of us be looking forward to more of this next year. Minnie according to Fathom has ton of room to add players. They are only going to get better and until our starters become dominant, we figure to be just second best again. I agree we have had a decent season and they are also my team, but we reek vs. the Central.

It's murder being a Sox fan whenever we play the Twins (with the exception of the best game ever, the elimination of Minnie in that magical playoff game)

The Twins must laugh their asses off on flights about their owning of the Sox, aside from the magical playoff game.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 03:20 AM) This entire thing is a mess. I don't see a light at the end of this tunnel until they just clean house. Kenny and Ozzie need to go. Clean out the minor leagues, and just start over. There is no plan. From the top to the bottom. We fling crap at the wall and pray something sticks. For years we have used the buy low methodlogy to picking up outside help. Not being able to understand that your mancrush from 5 years ago, is not the same player sans injuries and age. The minor leagues are just abysmal. We have had 2 times over the last few years to reload and haven't because Kenny always thinks he is one player away. We still go searching for bargains in the draft instead of looking for talent. The only difference is that we are now at least paying attention to the first round. Afte that its almost like we think there is nothing there after the first round. Then of course we don't instruct. Wear the mitt on your head and we will promote you. Can't hit a curveball, you get promoted. Dont know which way to run, we promote you. The plan is pretty obvious. Be "competitive" every year so the crowds aren't abysmal and hope for a ton of career years, lightning in the bottle. Nice at bat, Manny.

QUOTE (chiguy79 @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 01:54 AM) Even when we score it feels like a bad inning... Yeah. It's vital Danks breezes through this inning. A typical Sox Twins game would mean immediately sucking after that massive failure by AJ and failure to pick him up by Omar.

Double plays suck. Had a chance to bust it open.

Lexi saves the day. Would have been nice of Rios to stroke a hit and give the Sox the sudden lead though.

QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Sep 14, 2010 -> 04:16 PM) Carlton Fisk was, is, and always will be a Boston Red Sox. When I think of him, I think of him as a White Sox.

I love the sentiment of this thread so I won't add a negative vibe of any kind. GO SOX.

Why no? The Sox have money. It's not your money. There are no guarantees we are going to win s***. Might as well have a good guy like Paulie signed for three more years at 10-12 million a year. Who cares if he ultimately f***s up. He deserves the cash. It's pretty apparent to me the Sox will always spend enough to be .500ish. They can't risk having crowds fall to 20,000 the entire summer. So pay Paulie. The Sox formula for winning a WS in the future is going to remain the same. Have the pieces in place IF EVERYTHING GOES RIGHT during a season. Career years galore, etc. So fear not. Pay the man. The Sox can afford it. If not, and Jerry sells the team, he's going to get so much money for this team it'll make his head spin.

If you guys ultimately forgive the Sox for the sin of not bringing Thome back, you should go to Soxfest this winter and just hammer Ozzie with Thome questions. It might be cathartic.

Nice answer. Thanks. I asked the question, because there's even a local morning radio show here where the host is like a mini-Limbaugh. I happened to have it on in the car for some reason. It's all conservative. He had a guest from NY who wrote a book on how bad Obama is. This author basically said Obama is not intelligent and on and on. Then I turned on Limbaugh and it was all Obama, all the time. Obama being awful of course. Man, those Bill O'Reilly videos on youtube are awesome when he fights with people like Phil Donahue. Some amazing screaming. And isn't that Glenn Beck guy conservative as well? Like you said though, the media is considered liberal in general. You'd just think they'd have the national talk show voice. With all the liberals out there, you'd think it'd be tough for these shows to get advertising, but no prollem for Limbaugh, et. all.

Just wondering why all the major talk show hosts on radio seem to be conservative? Why is that? Seems we have more Democrats/liberals out there. Why does the conservative radio/TV host thing seem to be the norm?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 10, 2010 -> 08:00 PM) This great country has had that before, and will have it again. As for what the f*** is going on, there is no simple answer to that. Many things contributed to the recession. But is it unemployment ever going to go down? It's a new era in business today, with the worker really being devalued and not cared about (companies freezing or cutting salaries for the last 2 years, adding furloughs and companies totally shrinking overall staff size ... will they ever hire again?? I've heard all companies have shrunk, even the gold mine law firms.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Sep 13, 2010 -> 09:21 PM) Man oh man talk about heart-break. I still can't believe Dybzinksi got thrown out like that with the winning/lead run on its way home. Britt Burns pitched one of the most courageous games I have ever seen...by that point I think his hip was already on the downside and his days of taking a start every 5th were gone, but that guy was absolutely masterful in that game against a great Orioles team. LaRussa had to leave Britt in...Sox had a very marginal pen that year. The Landrum shot in the LF upper deck still haunts me...Yea, Im glad we got the series in 2005, but I loved that 1983 team. Still do...had my favorite player of all time on it (Fisk) and a SICK rotation. Hoyt going in game 5 against Scott McGregor would have completely favored the White Sox. I know a guy who quit his job to go to that Saturday game. Yes he had to work on a Saturday. I just couldn't believe inning after inning that at home we couldn't muster one run. And knowing Hoyt was going Sunday night! Huge disappointment for the team. I didn't even remember LaRussa being the manager it was so long ago.

The Sox obviously thought they were going to win with pitching (not too big an assumption despite the fact the bullpen sucked in 2009) but not defense (Teahen at third, nobody knew Lexi would be this improved at short, Juan was known for a weak arm, CQ somewhat statuesque in right, AJ not getting any younger throwing people out) and speed was supposed to be a strength like the pitching. I still think you can win with pitching and defense, even in the AL, but our pitching wasn't good enough again and our defense sucked early on, thought it turned out to be very solid up the middle with Rios, Becks and Lexi and AJ having a better year throwing wise. For us to win with this formula, the starting staff is going to have to DOMINATE and not be graded about a Bminus or B at the best, which is what they were this year. And the bullpen was a C at best. Not good enough without huge pop in the lineup. As far as Thome, I still consider the argument moot had we acquired a lefty bat like Dunn at the break which I guess he was impossible to get. I'd prefer to go back to the station to station thing next year but it is still going to all boil down to our pitching and defense.

To not be able to win that day game and be able to go to the deciding game at home ... wow. The Dybber f***ed up inexcusably. All we needed was 1 run. Hoyt was unbeatable that year.

If Ankiel could stay healthy, would he be the cheap answer for DH?