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Cowley's tweets were hilarious tonight. I wonder what Manny Ramirez thinks as he watches his new team play. He's really been a sparkplug.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 08:56 PM) I'd put our official time of death at the Brian Roberts walkoff for the Orioles. That series signaled a change in direction for this team. That home run was on a ball Putz set up on a tee and the echoes of bat on ball are still being heard in Camden Yards.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 08:42 PM) GMAFB Some of you guys are just ridiculous I think Kenny deserves his share of the blame for our flop. Getting Peavy has not helped the team in the least and getting Jackson did not impact the race a bit either. The Manny move was a complete joke. Just make Viciedo the DH and he'd have had as good an impact as Mr. Singles/No Ribbies.

I think I was venting but in the wrong thread. I should have put it in the vent thread.

Yeah, I wish we'd pay part of it and dump him. And dump Juan Pierre as well. He had a nice little season, but how much does he help a team win?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 04:53 PM) I just want them to play like they can still win it and at least make a man sized run at it in the final 15 games or so Man I wish I had your optimism as well. After tonight we are 9 out. The Twins are going to be able to rest up and set their rotation for the postseason and all that good stuff.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 09:15 PM) "The day Kenny Williams took over as GM of the Chicago White Sox, he had scheduled his first 365 days. It wasn’t a firm schedule, understand. He wants to make that clear. He always had the freedom to back away from it, go do something else, and he did back away plenty. “I’m not rigid about it,” he says. “I’m really not.” Which day out of that 365 did the schedule say...Get up...Get Dressed...Check Messages...Make bad Todd Ritchie deal? And which day did the schedule say, "I'm judging Hudson, who we have poured a lot of money into, on 3 big league starts. I will trade him for the ever-expensive Edwin Jackson." And wich day did the schedule say, "I know Jake Peavy won't be back until September, but I will trade an effective pitcher for him now because we will be in the race when Jake comes back and he will anchor our rotation in the playoffs/WS?"

QUOTE (stretchstretch @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 06:42 PM) but honestly, have the last 5 seasons not been equally grueling being led to believe you were built to contend based upon an illusion? since 2005 we head into ST with optimism (and a bunch of "if onlys") and sit on a roller coaster of hope for 6 months. unless of course we are in fact built to succeed and it really does all come down to poor coaching? come to think of it, the Sox new tag line should be QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 07:06 PM) So if for the next 7 years, the White Sox won about 70-75 games a year, were out of the pennant race every July, but were playing young players that provided hope (but no guarantees) of future playoff success, you would be happier? No thanks. Rebuilding sounds nice but in reality it is awful and the minute we are out of it in late May and we're playing young guys and losing every night, the complaining will still be immense. People will be wondering if we are rebuilding with the right guys, etc. The Royals have played guys like Gordon who had to be re-sent down several times and pitching a bundle of young pitchers who except for Greinke turned out to be no good, etc. Nobody is going to support a rebuilding young team if it sucks. Cause there's no guarantee you are building for anything meaningful.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 12:32 PM) Teahen is underrated by so many people it's ridiculous. So what that our hot streak coincided with his injury, it was pure coincidence. The Sox have just misused Teahen this year. He should be playing 3-4 times a week in a super utility role playing 3rd (in a pinch), 2nd, 1st, LF and RF giving average D in most of the positions and solid offense of a bench player. It's just Ozzie and Kenny thought he was a starter at third (his worst defensive position), which I don't get. Didn't they watch tape or look at his fielding metrics to know how poor he plays over there? I am still a Teahen fan, and he still can have value as a utility player. If only he was paid like one. Swisher is an overrated hitter and bad fielder. He has had like one really good here in his career and it's come hitting in baseball's best lineup in a ballpark designed for him. Clayton is a backend AL starter and nothing special. You didn't have to watch Teahen for years in KC as I did. He is a strikeout machine who can't field no matter where you put him. He is a nice guy though, and for that I do commend him. I also contend he uses a ridiculously large bat making me think he thinks of himself as a home run hitter which he is not. He's not much of a hitter period.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 08:08 PM) Quentin RF and (possibly best defense behind Mark) all in the same post? Who do you want in right? Teahen. Laughable. Oh I forgot, I guess you want Jones out there. Jones has hit a few bombs this year. Hope he's not back next year, though.

Didn't tell me much. He loves the Raiders and sort of wants to work for them. I say go for it. I'd think Davis would hire him when he reads it. Sounds like the writer couldn't get him to go into much detail about this actual season and/or his relationships with Ozzie/Jerry. You'd think since he got the rare audience he'd go into some other things besides the complicated man, KW. My feeling is it was a fairly rotten interview and the writer, being a pro, got out of it what he could.

Two game series suck. Four game series are scary.

The lesson this year AGAIN is make some moves during the season. No, Jackson for Hudson does not count. If we could all remember how dominant this White Sox team looked for a LONG STRETCH. We got back in the race miraculously. So at the break or shortly after the team needed some effective tinkering, which is uh, Kenny's job. This second half has been an utter disaster. Shame on the Sox for standing pat again. Yes a lot of people, including me, thought maybe this magical run would continue. I remember some dope calling Grobstein's show and saying, "I just can't see the Sox tapering off." That fan thought we'd continue at that 35-5 rate. But a GM has to have a better feel than some of us fans who got caught up in the 35-5 and Paulie who got caught up in it and said we needed nothing. As well as Ozzie who wanted to stand pat. The Manny move was ridiculously timed although maybe his presence helped us sweep the Bosox somehow. Maybe seeing him freaked out that team and its fans.

He's also good at being a good guy, which is admirable and fine. Just get him off our team. Maybe in the winter somebody will bite on him for a bag of chips.

QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 02:52 AM) So basically everyone here is saying that Ozzie is the reason Mark Teahen is the world's dullest player and should never be a starter for a contending team. It's Ozzie's fault that Kenny traded a good young pitcher who had some success here for an injury-riddled, expensive pitcher who was below average and then surprisingly suffered another serious injury. It's Ozzie's fault that Carlos Quentin's 2008 season was a mere abberation. It's Ozzie's fault that Bobby Jenks is a fat piece of s*** and wasn't available when we needed him the most. It's Ozzie's fault that he had a AAA 2nd lefty out of the bullpen who he couldn't use unless he was up or below 6 runs, thus forcing him to drastically overuse Thornton early in the season. It's Ozzie's fault that Scott Linebrink is a waste of flesh who pitches like Randy Williams, except makes closers money/ It's Ozzie's fault that his supposed best player (Beckham) was a mental midget for the first 3 months. Ozzie is far from the best manager in the world, but anyone who thinks this season is his fault is out of their mind. People forget Jim Thome hit .245 and .249 for us his last 2 years. Don't people remember him striking out in huge situations on most occasions at the tail end of his stay here. The guy was great for awhile but he was taking up space at the end. Kenny was a fool to listen to Ozzie about Kotsay, Ozzie isn't a personnel director. Kenny is his boss, he should have known better. QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 05:46 AM) Not sure who should go, but neither one will. If I had my pick I'd say Kenny Williams, it seems he just makes trades now for the sake of trading and has now shipped 3 excellent starting pitchers...all young...all cheap to other teams for overpriced players (Peavy), crappy players (Swisher) or guys who won't be around very long anyway (Jackson). Having faith in the young guys, faith in your coaching would have eliminated the necessity of having to go get Jake Peavy or Edwin Jackson, which would have freed up money to address the disgusting situation at third base. And speaking of third base, what drug was Williams on thinking a guy who Kansas City dumped off third base could come to Chicago and man that position? Mark Teahen plays terrible terrible defense and has absolutely no power for a corner fielder. So what is his use again? On a championship team? All told the outfield wasn't halfbad even with CQ's struggles this year. Rios had a good year...Quentin could still get to 30 homers and Piere will steal 60+ bases. Although defensively the OF is still average at best. It appears none of the players obtained for Vazquez will amount to much. Flowers will need to really come on next year, but overall he looks awful. Lillibridge wasn't so bad, but looks to me like a utility type. Given what we have given up for players, it seems we surely didn't max our value for Javy. Kenny Williams is just like the dude in your fantasy league who just likes making trades. Just wanted to praise both posts and posters. Please post more. Great great stuff in both posts. I especially loved the line about the disgusting situation at third base. Worded perfectly.

When I saw this thread I thought It's over meant the world was over. Cause like many said the race was over after the first game. Even if we'd swept which obviously we had no chance of doing since we are going to get swept, it would have been a longshot at best for a playoff game. How can a team be hot the entire second half? Twins may wind up WS champs, folks. I'm serious. It's their year. The White Sox second half has been embarrassing at best. The first half embarrassment was losing all those games to Cleveland. The second half embarrassment was getting knocked out, brutalized really, by Minnesota. The head to head matchups with Minnesota have been about as humbling as it can get for a Sox fan in years. Seems every game we have to bend over and take another swat. Sucks.

Rebuilding is another sports cliche. The bigger question is can this pitching staff start evolving into greatness? Will it or won't it. Stretches of greatness, so much that guys like Joe Morgan embarrass themselves with outlandish statements. Keep the pitching (save for Linebrink, Bobby, Pena, Freddy) ... make some significant changes to the everyday 9 through trades/free agency/tinkering.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 11:18 PM) i think it would be really funny if the Twins or some other signs Manny as a DH next season and performs very well, then some of you guys go like man we should fire ozzie or whoever for not bringing back Manny! Great post. I never thought of that. Yeah, he could be another guy sticking it to us next year if he is reborn as well.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 04:20 AM) The Reds went 6-12 vs. the Cardinals this season and yet still own a 7 game lead in the division. Granted, Cincy kicked the rest of the division's butt, but they manged to get around their inability to beat STL. I did not know that. Very intersting. Kudos to the Reds for pulling that off somehow.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 04:14 AM) I doubt Thome gets a huge contract next year. He probably won't lead them to a WS Title. Cooler weather will be coming in and that doesn't go well with Thome's back. I still want to see this team win 90 games. Kite, I think he'll get 2 mill from somebody minimum. As you know watching the games, he really looks good up there at the plate this season. Man he's reborn from that crap he displayed with the Dodgers pinch hitting.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 04:10 AM) I would be happy to suffer a season of adjustment if we had some young guys to bring up and let take their lumps. This team has tried for 5 seasons to capture the magic of '05 and I don't fault them. But it's time to let it go. Forget re-loading, Kenny. Find a way to deal for some promising prospects and RE-BUILD. You guys who want to rebuild are too general. Tell us who you want to see out there next year every game. Do you want us to draw 17,000 fans all summer? Has rebuilding helped Cleveland or KC? How long have the O's sucked balls? The Bosox and Yankees have brought in a lot of new players every year. I say keep the pitchers if our scouts continue to feel that on paper they rock ... and try again with altering the lineup by dumping some/acquiring others. Please get rid of Pierre somehow and Teahen somehow and I'd be OK with dumping AJ. But sign some good players off free agency. I haven't studied the finances. If you can't make it work, then trade Mark or Rios to free the funds to fill other positions instead. What the f*** does rebuilding mean? Losing for the sake of losing, so we can feel better and say, 'wait til these kids grow up?' The Royals are still waiting for tons of kids to start winning.

I'd put the tank at third every game the rest of the year. Thanks Omar for everything, but no reason for him to play anymore. They also ought to move CQ to left and give Juan the rest of the year off. Any starter with a tired arm might as well be sent home.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 04:06 AM) No no no, we must find someone else to blame rather than the team that hit The truth is, if we played even mediocre, not even average just not-horrifically, for the start of the season we easily win 5-10 more games. The team was so unbelievably bad in the beginning its comical that people are blaming everyone but the f***ing players themselves. That, but the fact remains our record alone against Minnesota is too much to overcome. You can't give up 7 games to a divisional foe. 5-12? Cmon. That in itself will lose us the title every single year. I repeat ... other teams in the division also have to start beating the Twins some. Royals played us .500; Twins have kicked their ass as well; don't know about Cleve and Det's record against Minnie. This whole division has been put in its place by Minnie. Thank god we won that playoff game vs. Minnesota. That was a special day. Of course the coin flip is the only thing that gave us a chance in that one, unless Thome would have homered 3 times in the Humpydome.

The season is over. Play the younguns, not every day but splice them in more often.

I'm glad I'm not the kind of fan who thinks Ozzie sucks and needs to go. Less stress in my fandom since I think our manager is fine. It was interesting to see Thome all fired up in the dugout as they ran over us again tonight. Yes, we erred in not bringing him back, yet I'm not convinced he'd have led us to the division title. He can't pitch the ball. I'm sure this is one of his most satisfying seasons. Veteran studs/Hall of Famers always like to prove people wrong and by the Sox not wanting him, I'd think it gave him that little extra edge at 40 that probably helped motivate him even more. He sucked in his role as Dodger pinch hitter last year. This was a nice boost for him and he nets a huge contract next year because of this resurgence. I hope he leads them to the WS title.