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I wish you guys who talk about pitcher's parks and pitching in the NL would call Grobstien's show with your theory. He owned a guy who tried that last week. A good pitcher is a f***ing good pitcher. I don't care about the peripherals.

I back southside on this one fully. f*** the Twins.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 09:39 PM) I'm pretty sure if we were still in the race it would have been handled differently. At this point, who cares? Agreed. It matters not. Our team is in a freefall.

If the Sox can throw away money like that, why can't they just trade Teahen and pay 4 million of his salary and why couldn't they have released Linebrink long ago? The Manny acquisition was too little too late.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 01:21 PM) There are more and more rumors Ozzie could be leaving. There's no way in hell Fisk will be manager. That would be like naming Hawk GM. Oh wait ... that already happened. I could see Ozzie going to Florida and Sox naming LaRussa. That will not end well. LaRussa is the self proclaimed messiah. He is no better than Ozzie.

We picked up that singles hitter/turd way too late for it to matter.

We definitely had a chance. We were 4.5 games up at one point. We had a real chance. Sox stood pat aside from the ridiculous Jackson deal. Sox were a dysfunctional team again, doing some strange ass things, but the Sox definitely had a chance. Going 5-13 against Minnesota is incomprehensible. Eight games right there? Give me a f***ing break, White Sox.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 05:18 AM) It's not a credit to the Twins, it's a fault of the Sox. But as a Sox fan, I'm not about to congratulate a team that intentionally drills our hitters, high fives their thug outfielder for taking a cheap shot at our catcher, then laughs at us in the locker room. Especially after they just hit our MVP in the face. I hope they get crushed in the playoffs again -- just like they always do, the losers. Did they laugh at us in the locker room? If that's true, then I root against them. Otherwise I was thinking I'd like a Reds-Twins WS. But if they are laughing at us, f*** them. What goes round, comes round. Thome should put a stop to the laughing. He played for us and got cheered by our fans a lot.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 05:38 AM) I doubt it. Players really don't think like fans. Players don't like leaving an organization they played for most of their career. He'll be back. Hope so. I'd think our roller coaster season would wear on any player who truly cares. And Konerko obviously cares. Tonight's getting hit in the face proves that, homering in his next at bat. Wow.

QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 05:33 AM) The twins play hard every night. We don't. The Twins never concede an inning during the season. We concede many. The Twins play the game hard all the time and do anything in their power to win (whether you believe it's cheap or not). If AJ didn;t like what Delmon Young did he should have punched in the face right then and there. They make their own luck by never giving anything away. They never believe that they are out of a game, and in return, their fans get to appreciate baseball after 162 games are played. Unfortunately we rarely do. I'm torn on the "playing hard" thing. I think the Sox play hard. They came back tonight only to implode. When things are going bad, the Sox never get the big hit. I don't think it's because they are not playing hard. The losses to all the teams like the O's, Royals, Indians, don't know what to say. Our pitching isn't always great against those teams, either.

I voted Viciedo at first with Paulie leaving. I have a gut feeling he wants out of this madness. I would have voted Morel at third, but I'm convinced we'll be seeing Teahen there. I just sense that. I voted Sale as a starter, but I could see him being closer or closer by committee with Matt. Putz looks like he's run his course and I suspect Bobby is gone for sure as well. We need to save this thread.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 03:53 AM) Unless it's a long-term deal for Scott Linebrink or Mark Teahen, who nobody is bidding against us for...well, in Linebrink's case, the argument was always that WAS the market for successful short relievers but there's never been an explanation given for that extension. Somebody pointed this out before, but the Sox need to quit salivating over guys who have hit sox pitching well in the past. So Teahen beat us on several occasions with KC; we acquire him for that reason and he was horses***. I bet the Sox keep him and pencil him in as a starter afraid of him turning into a Swisher. This was Teahen's off year they'll say. Next year could be his career year. Problem is is that he's not a good baseball hitter. He just is not.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 02:08 AM) You guys are seriously priceless. This team, despite losing their ace pitcher for most of the year, the worst year their closer has had, and having nothing at DH, is going to win in the territory of 90 games... has guys like Sale and Santos developing and a truly solid 5 man rotation if not more, with only one well-performing player going to free agency... and you are already writing off 2011? In September of 2010? I mean, nothing is guaranteed, but you'd think reading this that this was a Royals or Pirates board. Well that's a glass half full way of lookin at it. I applaud you for that post. I'll try to memorize it, cause I want to believe in 2011.

We should hire their hitting and pitching coaches. Might be a start to break up their little dynasty.

QUOTE (Real @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 04:42 AM) What pisses me off more than anything is that nobody will be held accountable. Actually one guy will be, Konerko. He won't be resigned for next year. That'll be the Sox gift to him. Allowing him to get a chance to win next year, that sure as f*** isn't a possibility playing with this clown crew. I tend to agree. I wonder if Paulie may want out. That is a real possibility. We don't know what it's been like for the players the last 2 weird seasons. He may be begging for a change of scenery, though he'd never say that. I hope he doesn't want to play for the Twins. He and Thome and 5-13 will be another reality. Are we even going to win 5 versus Minnie next year? It's automatic when we have taken the field against them recently we lose. Didn't we win 2 of 3 one series against them. So virtually every other series was an epic disaster!!! I vote for Oz and Kenny to come back, but both should be fined $100,000 for their second-half work. it was truly a pathetic performance by both of them. Donate the money to a charity of the Twins' choice. They both were that bad. As far as players ... CQ has been very bad; Rios has had a fairly rotten second half, Juan and Omar just are not division-champion caliber players. definitely not everyday players on a division contender, I'd think Ozzie would tire of Juan as any sane person would on occasion, yet Juan played every single inning the second half it seemed like. Teahen is so bad it's laugable, AJ had a good second half but still is Mr. double play, our starters were very ordinary to moderately bad the second half and our bullpen was so bad that it makes you wonder if we will be a last place team next year if the bullpen doesn't improve. This is written in epic frustration mode, but I think I will agree with it even when I calm down tomorrow.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 02:06 AM) Stone's logic: Pavano has more wins, thus, he is the ace... QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 03:22 AM) Jones is a better all around player than Carlos. They are the same hitter and Jones can actually field. QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 03:42 AM) Those numbers looked a lot better a month ago when he was around 23 homers and 80 RBI. If he ends up with 27 homers, 92 RBI, and a .230 batting average...that's a very disappointing season for him. Also, just let Morel play Ozzie. Teahen obviously is awful...just a brutal, brutal acquisition by KW. QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 04:01 AM) hope you get the chance to see how Konerko got hit in the face by a pitch, refused to come out, and hit a homer his next at bat. QUOTE (J.Reedfan8 @ Sep 17, 2010 -> 04:45 AM) I don't know about anyone else here, but I probably will not watch any more games the rest of the year (didn't watch this game), especially if we are still playing the older veterans instead of guys like Morel, Viciedo, Flowers. Same with the pen seeing Linebrink instead of Infante/Sale. Those were the highlight posts in the thread I just read. 1.) Stoney is a great analyst. I won't criticize much of anything he says. I like hearing his color. I wish Hawk and Stoney could have let loose, however, and ripped the Sox a new asshole this series. They have to be quiet, however, lest they be replaced by the team. 2.) Hopefully you agree Jones should not be a member of the Sox next season. Time to move on there. 3.) Konerko is a f***ing stud. Hit in the face??? And continues to play? And hits home run. Nice. If the Twins were smart, they'd sign him in the offseason. 4.) I'll watch as many games as I can. We suck. Life goes on. Luckily the Blackhawks won it all. That was nice to celebrate from afar and watch the coverage of the parade, etc. Unfortunately I'm not going to have a great winter. After the last two seasons, it's hard to look forward to White Sox baseball. 5-13 versus Minnesota won't cut it. Though I don't want Ozzie fired, I wouldn't be against the team fining he and KW $100,000 apiece for their s***ty work in the second half. Donate the $200,000 to a charity of the Twins' choice. Bobby Knight allegedly wasn't paid by Texas Tech that one season. Oz and KW should give some money back. Poor, poor second half from our leaders. p.s. Mark Teahen is a nice guy, but a piece of s*** on the baseball field. I still think the Yankees might take him, thinking they have another Swisher steal on their hands from us.

Cowley's tweets were hilarious tonight. I wonder what Manny Ramirez thinks as he watches his new team play. He's really been a sparkplug.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 08:56 PM) I'd put our official time of death at the Brian Roberts walkoff for the Orioles. That series signaled a change in direction for this team. That home run was on a ball Putz set up on a tee and the echoes of bat on ball are still being heard in Camden Yards.

QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 08:42 PM) GMAFB Some of you guys are just ridiculous I think Kenny deserves his share of the blame for our flop. Getting Peavy has not helped the team in the least and getting Jackson did not impact the race a bit either. The Manny move was a complete joke. Just make Viciedo the DH and he'd have had as good an impact as Mr. Singles/No Ribbies.

I think I was venting but in the wrong thread. I should have put it in the vent thread.

Yeah, I wish we'd pay part of it and dump him. And dump Juan Pierre as well. He had a nice little season, but how much does he help a team win?

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 04:53 PM) I just want them to play like they can still win it and at least make a man sized run at it in the final 15 games or so Man I wish I had your optimism as well. After tonight we are 9 out. The Twins are going to be able to rest up and set their rotation for the postseason and all that good stuff.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 09:15 PM) "The day Kenny Williams took over as GM of the Chicago White Sox, he had scheduled his first 365 days. It wasn’t a firm schedule, understand. He wants to make that clear. He always had the freedom to back away from it, go do something else, and he did back away plenty. “I’m not rigid about it,” he says. “I’m really not.” Which day out of that 365 did the schedule say...Get up...Get Dressed...Check Messages...Make bad Todd Ritchie deal? And which day did the schedule say, "I'm judging Hudson, who we have poured a lot of money into, on 3 big league starts. I will trade him for the ever-expensive Edwin Jackson." And wich day did the schedule say, "I know Jake Peavy won't be back until September, but I will trade an effective pitcher for him now because we will be in the race when Jake comes back and he will anchor our rotation in the playoffs/WS?"

QUOTE (stretchstretch @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 06:42 PM) but honestly, have the last 5 seasons not been equally grueling being led to believe you were built to contend based upon an illusion? since 2005 we head into ST with optimism (and a bunch of "if onlys") and sit on a roller coaster of hope for 6 months. unless of course we are in fact built to succeed and it really does all come down to poor coaching? come to think of it, the Sox new tag line should be QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 07:06 PM) So if for the next 7 years, the White Sox won about 70-75 games a year, were out of the pennant race every July, but were playing young players that provided hope (but no guarantees) of future playoff success, you would be happier? No thanks. Rebuilding sounds nice but in reality it is awful and the minute we are out of it in late May and we're playing young guys and losing every night, the complaining will still be immense. People will be wondering if we are rebuilding with the right guys, etc. The Royals have played guys like Gordon who had to be re-sent down several times and pitching a bundle of young pitchers who except for Greinke turned out to be no good, etc. Nobody is going to support a rebuilding young team if it sucks. Cause there's no guarantee you are building for anything meaningful.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 12:32 PM) Teahen is underrated by so many people it's ridiculous. So what that our hot streak coincided with his injury, it was pure coincidence. The Sox have just misused Teahen this year. He should be playing 3-4 times a week in a super utility role playing 3rd (in a pinch), 2nd, 1st, LF and RF giving average D in most of the positions and solid offense of a bench player. It's just Ozzie and Kenny thought he was a starter at third (his worst defensive position), which I don't get. Didn't they watch tape or look at his fielding metrics to know how poor he plays over there? I am still a Teahen fan, and he still can have value as a utility player. If only he was paid like one. Swisher is an overrated hitter and bad fielder. He has had like one really good here in his career and it's come hitting in baseball's best lineup in a ballpark designed for him. Clayton is a backend AL starter and nothing special. You didn't have to watch Teahen for years in KC as I did. He is a strikeout machine who can't field no matter where you put him. He is a nice guy though, and for that I do commend him. I also contend he uses a ridiculously large bat making me think he thinks of himself as a home run hitter which he is not. He's not much of a hitter period.