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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 08:08 PM) Quentin RF and (possibly best defense behind Mark) all in the same post? Who do you want in right? Teahen. Laughable. Oh I forgot, I guess you want Jones out there. Jones has hit a few bombs this year. Hope he's not back next year, though.

Didn't tell me much. He loves the Raiders and sort of wants to work for them. I say go for it. I'd think Davis would hire him when he reads it. Sounds like the writer couldn't get him to go into much detail about this actual season and/or his relationships with Ozzie/Jerry. You'd think since he got the rare audience he'd go into some other things besides the complicated man, KW. My feeling is it was a fairly rotten interview and the writer, being a pro, got out of it what he could.

Two game series suck. Four game series are scary.

The lesson this year AGAIN is make some moves during the season. No, Jackson for Hudson does not count. If we could all remember how dominant this White Sox team looked for a LONG STRETCH. We got back in the race miraculously. So at the break or shortly after the team needed some effective tinkering, which is uh, Kenny's job. This second half has been an utter disaster. Shame on the Sox for standing pat again. Yes a lot of people, including me, thought maybe this magical run would continue. I remember some dope calling Grobstein's show and saying, "I just can't see the Sox tapering off." That fan thought we'd continue at that 35-5 rate. But a GM has to have a better feel than some of us fans who got caught up in the 35-5 and Paulie who got caught up in it and said we needed nothing. As well as Ozzie who wanted to stand pat. The Manny move was ridiculously timed although maybe his presence helped us sweep the Bosox somehow. Maybe seeing him freaked out that team and its fans.

He's also good at being a good guy, which is admirable and fine. Just get him off our team. Maybe in the winter somebody will bite on him for a bag of chips.

QUOTE (Butter Parque @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 02:52 AM) So basically everyone here is saying that Ozzie is the reason Mark Teahen is the world's dullest player and should never be a starter for a contending team. It's Ozzie's fault that Kenny traded a good young pitcher who had some success here for an injury-riddled, expensive pitcher who was below average and then surprisingly suffered another serious injury. It's Ozzie's fault that Carlos Quentin's 2008 season was a mere abberation. It's Ozzie's fault that Bobby Jenks is a fat piece of s*** and wasn't available when we needed him the most. It's Ozzie's fault that he had a AAA 2nd lefty out of the bullpen who he couldn't use unless he was up or below 6 runs, thus forcing him to drastically overuse Thornton early in the season. It's Ozzie's fault that Scott Linebrink is a waste of flesh who pitches like Randy Williams, except makes closers money/ It's Ozzie's fault that his supposed best player (Beckham) was a mental midget for the first 3 months. Ozzie is far from the best manager in the world, but anyone who thinks this season is his fault is out of their mind. People forget Jim Thome hit .245 and .249 for us his last 2 years. Don't people remember him striking out in huge situations on most occasions at the tail end of his stay here. The guy was great for awhile but he was taking up space at the end. Kenny was a fool to listen to Ozzie about Kotsay, Ozzie isn't a personnel director. Kenny is his boss, he should have known better. QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 05:46 AM) Not sure who should go, but neither one will. If I had my pick I'd say Kenny Williams, it seems he just makes trades now for the sake of trading and has now shipped 3 excellent starting pitchers...all young...all cheap to other teams for overpriced players (Peavy), crappy players (Swisher) or guys who won't be around very long anyway (Jackson). Having faith in the young guys, faith in your coaching would have eliminated the necessity of having to go get Jake Peavy or Edwin Jackson, which would have freed up money to address the disgusting situation at third base. And speaking of third base, what drug was Williams on thinking a guy who Kansas City dumped off third base could come to Chicago and man that position? Mark Teahen plays terrible terrible defense and has absolutely no power for a corner fielder. So what is his use again? On a championship team? All told the outfield wasn't halfbad even with CQ's struggles this year. Rios had a good year...Quentin could still get to 30 homers and Piere will steal 60+ bases. Although defensively the OF is still average at best. It appears none of the players obtained for Vazquez will amount to much. Flowers will need to really come on next year, but overall he looks awful. Lillibridge wasn't so bad, but looks to me like a utility type. Given what we have given up for players, it seems we surely didn't max our value for Javy. Kenny Williams is just like the dude in your fantasy league who just likes making trades. Just wanted to praise both posts and posters. Please post more. Great great stuff in both posts. I especially loved the line about the disgusting situation at third base. Worded perfectly.

When I saw this thread I thought It's over meant the world was over. Cause like many said the race was over after the first game. Even if we'd swept which obviously we had no chance of doing since we are going to get swept, it would have been a longshot at best for a playoff game. How can a team be hot the entire second half? Twins may wind up WS champs, folks. I'm serious. It's their year. The White Sox second half has been embarrassing at best. The first half embarrassment was losing all those games to Cleveland. The second half embarrassment was getting knocked out, brutalized really, by Minnesota. The head to head matchups with Minnesota have been about as humbling as it can get for a Sox fan in years. Seems every game we have to bend over and take another swat. Sucks.

Rebuilding is another sports cliche. The bigger question is can this pitching staff start evolving into greatness? Will it or won't it. Stretches of greatness, so much that guys like Joe Morgan embarrass themselves with outlandish statements. Keep the pitching (save for Linebrink, Bobby, Pena, Freddy) ... make some significant changes to the everyday 9 through trades/free agency/tinkering.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Sep 15, 2010 -> 11:18 PM) i think it would be really funny if the Twins or some other signs Manny as a DH next season and performs very well, then some of you guys go like man we should fire ozzie or whoever for not bringing back Manny! Great post. I never thought of that. Yeah, he could be another guy sticking it to us next year if he is reborn as well.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 04:20 AM) The Reds went 6-12 vs. the Cardinals this season and yet still own a 7 game lead in the division. Granted, Cincy kicked the rest of the division's butt, but they manged to get around their inability to beat STL. I did not know that. Very intersting. Kudos to the Reds for pulling that off somehow.

QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 04:14 AM) I doubt Thome gets a huge contract next year. He probably won't lead them to a WS Title. Cooler weather will be coming in and that doesn't go well with Thome's back. I still want to see this team win 90 games. Kite, I think he'll get 2 mill from somebody minimum. As you know watching the games, he really looks good up there at the plate this season. Man he's reborn from that crap he displayed with the Dodgers pinch hitting.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 04:10 AM) I would be happy to suffer a season of adjustment if we had some young guys to bring up and let take their lumps. This team has tried for 5 seasons to capture the magic of '05 and I don't fault them. But it's time to let it go. Forget re-loading, Kenny. Find a way to deal for some promising prospects and RE-BUILD. You guys who want to rebuild are too general. Tell us who you want to see out there next year every game. Do you want us to draw 17,000 fans all summer? Has rebuilding helped Cleveland or KC? How long have the O's sucked balls? The Bosox and Yankees have brought in a lot of new players every year. I say keep the pitchers if our scouts continue to feel that on paper they rock ... and try again with altering the lineup by dumping some/acquiring others. Please get rid of Pierre somehow and Teahen somehow and I'd be OK with dumping AJ. But sign some good players off free agency. I haven't studied the finances. If you can't make it work, then trade Mark or Rios to free the funds to fill other positions instead. What the f*** does rebuilding mean? Losing for the sake of losing, so we can feel better and say, 'wait til these kids grow up?' The Royals are still waiting for tons of kids to start winning.

I'd put the tank at third every game the rest of the year. Thanks Omar for everything, but no reason for him to play anymore. They also ought to move CQ to left and give Juan the rest of the year off. Any starter with a tired arm might as well be sent home.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 04:06 AM) No no no, we must find someone else to blame rather than the team that hit The truth is, if we played even mediocre, not even average just not-horrifically, for the start of the season we easily win 5-10 more games. The team was so unbelievably bad in the beginning its comical that people are blaming everyone but the f***ing players themselves. That, but the fact remains our record alone against Minnesota is too much to overcome. You can't give up 7 games to a divisional foe. 5-12? Cmon. That in itself will lose us the title every single year. I repeat ... other teams in the division also have to start beating the Twins some. Royals played us .500; Twins have kicked their ass as well; don't know about Cleve and Det's record against Minnie. This whole division has been put in its place by Minnie. Thank god we won that playoff game vs. Minnesota. That was a special day. Of course the coin flip is the only thing that gave us a chance in that one, unless Thome would have homered 3 times in the Humpydome.

The season is over. Play the younguns, not every day but splice them in more often.

I'm glad I'm not the kind of fan who thinks Ozzie sucks and needs to go. Less stress in my fandom since I think our manager is fine. It was interesting to see Thome all fired up in the dugout as they ran over us again tonight. Yes, we erred in not bringing him back, yet I'm not convinced he'd have led us to the division title. He can't pitch the ball. I'm sure this is one of his most satisfying seasons. Veteran studs/Hall of Famers always like to prove people wrong and by the Sox not wanting him, I'd think it gave him that little extra edge at 40 that probably helped motivate him even more. He sucked in his role as Dodger pinch hitter last year. This was a nice boost for him and he nets a huge contract next year because of this resurgence. I hope he leads them to the WS title.

We're never going to win the division until we can at least to return to the .500 days against Minnesota. It also would help if teams like KC could play Minnie at least as tough as they play us. Until then ... we lose the division to those bastards every single year.

QUOTE (Friend of Nordhagen @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 02:09 AM) It's because no one cares about the Twins. Seriously. QUOTE (Real @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 02:32 AM) Most accurate post in this thread. Changes need to be made, because we need to get guys in here who haven't been mindf***ed by the Twins franchise. That definitely means Ozzie Guillen has to go, and I wouldn't shed a tear if AJ was gone as well as Danks/Floyd. Neither of those guys can come up big for us anymore when we need them, bed wetters. Post 1: Exactly, that's why I want Twins to win it all. Maybe then people will get up to play them. Ozzie Guillen does not need to go. The team was "in the race" sort of until late August and has a winning record. Why the f*** would you fire him considering his track record? Change his job to manager, not GM anymore. Give him the players and have him work with them. The Twins I do agree will be heavy favorites to win the division by at least as many games next year as they are this year. They are up 9 after tomorrow and will win the division by double digits. Wow. Time to improve the team, KW.

QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 02:51 AM) I forgot, he was here in 2005. Maybe we can get Willie Harris, Timo Perez, the legend of Aaron Rowand and get the band back together. Take a look at his second half record since he has been here. If his name was Manuel, he would of been gone already. But because he was on the 05 team you have shrine built to him. This reminds me of Bears fans not letting go of the 85 team. Eventually you can't ride on that crap forever. Build him a statue, and move on. I love the fact he led us to the WS title, but he's done nothing this season to deserve the axe. Nothing.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 02:46 AM) I know I'm the most Anti-Ozzie guy on here, but is there still any real doubt that there needs to be a shake up with the KW/Ozzie/Walker/Cooper foursome? I can't imagine even the most optimstic/Ozzie supporters would disagree. I would disagree. Why the f*** would we fire Ozzie over this?

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 02:37 AM) This starting pitching is not special, and hasn't been for a complete season since....you guessed it, 2005. The Sox must disagree since they dealt some pretty f***ing good starting pitchers the last few years. So what starters do you want to deal? Who replaces them? I know ... Clayton Richard, Hudson, Gio ... oh wait. they aren't with the team anymore. You guys want to blow up the rotation as well? That makes no sense unless the "rebuilding" means being the Royals the next 10 years.

I agree I'd rather see somebody young, anybody really, play next year instead of Juan and Omar and AJ. But why blow up the rotation?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 16, 2010 -> 02:33 AM) lol@some fans being against a rebuild. You'd rather go through this crap every year? The Twins own us. It's that simple. And they're only going to get better. The point is ... What the f*** does rebuild mean?? Finishing 20 under for 5 straight years instead of 10 over? We need to ride out this pitching staff and change the lineup again. "On paper" our starting pitching and bullpen is supposed to be special. Admittedly we have not seen that on a consistent basis.

Someday we will beat the Twins. Maybe? It doesn't matter what park we play them in. Twins win. Nice way to pitch out of it after the Beckham boot, Gavin. Way to immediately get taken deep.

Excellent post. The bipolar aspect of the Sox drives a lot of us crazy.