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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 08:34 PM) Like the 5/$60 deal Konerko signed as a 29 year old? QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 10:35 PM) We should be trying to sign this guy for a couple more years just like AJ Perzynski. It amazed me how much grief this guy took from some posters demanding his being traded and a sub par 1Bman QUOTE (bobryansson @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 10:44 PM) Affable guy, all about the team, never complains or makes excuses, hits home runs and for average, and gets what can be gotten at first. That's why his name is on the Sox jersey I wear. Great 3 posts. s*** he made 12 mill a year for five years? I would think a class act like Paulie might see the advantages to staying with one team his whole career and take another discount. I mean I doubt JR will try to low ball him beyond belief, so you'd think he'll still get tons of money and stay with the team he identifies with. That said, I know players always hop around to make the most loot (Johnny Damon) so anything's possible. Like the one poster said, "Pauliepalooza!"

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 09:02 PM) I said it both times and both times I was clearly joking, don't think having Manny behind doesn't help Paul getting more hittable pitches tho.. I know. I didn't mean you. I thought AJ especially got overlooked for his bomb. Manny didn't hit either one.

That actually should be the headline on all the game stories. He actually deserves that title and nickname and it even sounds better with all the p's.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 08:23 PM) Here's the list of guys currently on statues: Frank Thomas will have his there next year. Paul Konerko has been on this team for 11+ years now. He keyed a world series run and was the ALCS MVP that year, He's basically 2nd on the White Sox career offensive production list right now (HR, RBI) behind the Hurt, he produced more than several of the guys with statues already. His statue is assured. Post of the season. Great post. I like the line: HIS STATUE IS ASSURED.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 08:16 PM) The most impressive thing is that he pitched over the most made-to-order DP in the history of the game and didn't blink or make excuses, then let the game get away from him. You know Carlos Zambrano would have flipped out there. He was aiming the ball a little bit after the 2 walks, his radar readings then were "only" 93-94-95 (versus 95-100, consistently 97). What's most impressive is his ability to already control a much better slider than Thornton...and from what everyone says, his change-up might be his best pitch, and he's not even using that out of the bullpen. I realize Chapman and Henry Rodriguez with Oakland are getting a ton of hype too, but I can't think of two more impressive arms joining the White Sox (E-Jax, too) in the span of 2-3 months that didn't exist at the beginning of the season in our imaginations. A lot of scouts would take Chapman over Sale, and there are going to be concerns about his durability because of his slight frame and his mechanics/delivery...but we should just enjoy it while it lasts. Sale took down the toughest hitter on the Indians in Choo and Ozzie/Cooper had their faith in both Santos and Sale. Proves that Ozzie will trust a rookie, although the choice was pretty obvious to most. Right now, with Jackson, Danks, Floyd, Buehrle, Peavy and Sale, we have a combination of the the best six potential starters collected anywhere in MLB. There's no debate about it. Quite a turnaround from June 9th when many thought our talent was in the bottom 5-10 teams in MLB. Great post caufield, especially the last paragraph about the 6 potential starters. Hopefully it will all click next season and we'll run away with it.

QUOTE (danman31 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 07:23 PM) Paul hits a HR here and Manny gets credit for protecting him in the on deck circle haha. Great post. Danman with the call before it happened. I love those in the threads the last two nights who have given Paulie and AJ their props for actually being the ones, to you know, hit it out of the park. Great win, kudos to Paulie, Sale, Rios, etc. I'm not going to go overboard and credit Manny for Paulie's and AJ's homers. A lot of people thought AJ would hit into a DP and Paulie is simply an MVP candidate, baby! Go Soxxxx!! Keep winnin.

Another good rip piece on Manny by Passon on the cover of yahoo. He would only speak in Spanish today, even though he has no problem with English. Cora who had to translate said he had no idea why Manny insisted on Spanish. He also intimated it was Manny's call not to play cause of the early wake up call.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 05:47 AM) Oh my goodness, this is Chris Young all over again. I'm not sure how anyone could fault the price paid for this guy at this point. Bottom line is, we were very confident we could turn Edwin into a nasty pitcher for us, without much of an adjustment period. We have done exactly that. What we were not sure of, was what we had in Hudson. But let's face it, he showed very little signs of being the guy he has been in AZ when he was here. Just like Edwin looked nothing like the guy he was in AZ since he has been here. Can't we ever just say that the trade has worked out for both sides thus far? Sure, you can argue that we gave up the pre-arb player with no accumulated service time under his belt. But you can't say with any relative certainty that we would be getting out of him what AZ is getting out of him right now. You just can't. There were absolutely no signs of that this year in his 3 starts. So maybe we would have never gotten it. Maybe it would have taken three more starts before we got it. Maybe it would have happened just the way it has with AZ. But we didn't know that at the time. What we did know, was that we could get quality starts out of EJ, and we have. So just let it be for what it is. We acquired a guy who has pitched to a 1.36 ERA (or whatever it is) and has eaten innings and been absolutely filthy while doing it. If I would have told you what Edwin would do in his first 5 starts for us at the time we made the Hudson trade, I doubt any of you would have been against pulling the trigger. Shack makes a good point, but he sure seemed like a guy that was a salary dump and many of us hate giving up Hudson for him. But you are right. If Jackson keeps this up into next season it will be hard to complain about this deal. He certainly has done a great great job.

Then I'm copying every other poster on here. I've been victimized by the same thing, people misrepresenting my posts and/or not remembering my position on things.

AJ's bomb was a thing of beauty. Jackson has been amazing and was again tonight. Bpbby got the job done Pierre got 2 more hits. Good thing we are finally beating Cleveland cause Minnie keeps winning. Minnesota is f***ing 20 games over .500. We are 12 over.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 05:35 AM) Look Greg, the Sox made a big investment in acquiring Manny in terms of money, they have him for only a month. 31 games to be exact from when he officially joined the organization. With the Sox being down 4 games to the Twins and with such a short amount of time left, it just seems logical to put out the best lineup possible. From what we have seen out of Kotsay this year, a tired Manny>>>>>>Kotsay. And really, he was just going to DH, and with already having alot of time off this year, Manny shouldve been ready to go. And for those who say "Manny doesnt take well to orders," well, hes with us for one month and he needs a new contract. Push him to play and he will, because he needs it. And if we burn a few bridges with him because of it, so what, we'll ride out the situation and say thanks ofr bein a big bat for us for a month and we can move on. Yes, we won the game, but that doesnt mean it was the SMARTEST decision. Did it pan out? Sure. That doesnt mean Ozzie put us at a disadvantage compared to the alternatives. Like somebody posted many hours ago, a lot of teams sit guys the first day they arrive. Especially traveling all day. I mean would you have preferred he play tonight and sit tomorrow, cause he probably would have done one of the two. There were good reasons for sitting Manny. We won and he'll be rested tomorrow.

Why does it matter how he plays the rest of the way? You know his age and his stats and his health of this season to go on. Does one month really matter that much? Is it the same with Paulie? Would you judge whether he's worth it on the next month? You are not convinced he's worth a two year deal after this awesome season? I'm convinced Paulie is worth a two-year deal at a minimum of 7 mill per season.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 03:54 AM) You can reach correct conclusions through poor reasoning and illogical decisions. That is what I don't get. We won the game. We didn't need Manny. We have a day game after a night game. Manny is no spring chicken. Ozzie made the right call. We WON and now he's rested. Why can't some people give the manager credit for his decision? Winning the game proved it was the correct decision. When we lose, he made wrong decisions because the scoreboard says we LOST. Now, Manny, who was on a plane all day, is allegedly refreshed and ready. It's like some people think they will get an electric shock if they praise Ozzie when his moves work.

Nitetrain, my sentence was poorly written but still the meaning was evident. I want us to win ever game. You can ask anybody from that season when I was in the VAST MINORITY of people who wanted the Sox to win meaningless September games. Many people were actively rooting for us to lose so we'd get a better draft pick. If you don't believe me, fine, but you are crazy. I have never rooted against the Sox and I won't despite the presence of a guy I don't want on my team.

Well let me ask you this? To keep Manny would you sign him 2 years for 20 million?

So would you do it? I would. 2 years 14 million. Nobody will offer him more than that. Wouldn't that be fair to both parties? I mean if you don't want him, who do you want at first? Viciedo/Teahen platoon? Paulie makes more sense than that.

QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 03:44 AM) I don't considering the condition of his hip. I'm assuming you want to sign him for a reasonable contract? I can't imagine any Sox fan wanting him to go away after his career, and particularly this season. He ain't finished yet. Tell me, you said he won't for two seasons? Do you think he can repeat this season or have similar numbers? If so, why would you want this all time Sox great to leave? Don't get it.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 02:48 AM) I am saying someone could argue that if Manny was playing over Kotsay, that we may have scored more than 4 runs, and then we would have won the game. Not saying it is the right excuse, just saying that someone would mention it. But because we won, Ozzie won't have to hear anyone say "Well, if you started Manny, you could have scored more runs". Good. I'm glad we won't have to hear anyone say that, because it doesn't matter now. We won. Now Manny is rested for the day game. Oz made the right call, again.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 03:34 AM) Thank you!! If you want a good 1B that can't hit, you can get Kotchman for 1/10th of the contract Konerko will get. You guys don't think Konerko can hit for 2 more season?? You have that little confidence in a guy having an incredible season?? I was saying "If" he didn't hit he wouldn't be a complete washout cause the guy can field. I cant imagine him suddenly sucking at the plate next year.

I'm not trying to get revenge. I truly thought those were the wildest posts I saw in reading 25 pages of posts after the game. How am I going to get revenge anyway? Bobby has blown enough saves his season can be classified as only a C or C- at best. There's no way I can gain revenge. He blew too many in that one stretch for that to happen for me. I still think he's a gamer and am glad Oz called on him tonight. I still think he's a decent option out there. I do think he might be fatter than normal and that's a problem. I also still think his leaving for the family emergency seemed to kill some of his mojo.

Lighten up, man! We won the game and Jenks was a big part of it. Can't you be happy for Bobby and the White Sox? I haven't posted in the winner thread yet where I'll also praise Jackson and AJP, et. all. What's wrong with posting some of the wilder posts in the thread? You act like you are damaged mentally and/or physically by reading the post. Great win.

QUOTE (buckweaver @ Aug 31, 2010 -> 11:57 PM) Subject of "Ramirez Slept Here" signs in Boston's outfield. Suspended for performance enhancing drugs in 2009. Purposefully thrown out of his last game as a Los Angeles Dodger. Begged out of playing his first game for the Chicago White Sox because he was "too tired." Flouted the owner's "neat and presentable hair" rule by tying back his dreadlocks in lieu of getting a haircut. (the very same owner who is paying him roughly $4 million for 31...er, make that 30...games). These aren't excuses. They're souvenirs. Manny being Manny...It's black and white. So as we are now required to cheer for the laundry that includes the number 99,, I make one last reply to this thread with this message to White Sox management: Do not hold the fans hostage over the resigning of Paul Konerko to a very fair, career-ending, long-term contract this off-season. If you can afford $4 million for a "diminished skills," diminished brain, ethically bankrupt Manny Ramirez, you can certainly pay the team captain what he's worth, particularly in light of the year he's having and the career he's had in Chicago. He is the White Sox' Derek Jeter and deserves to be rewarded as such. Great post. This signing proves the Sox do have money and Paulie should get a nice 2 year contract IMO. s***, this may sound dumb, but Paulie's defense is so good even if he suddenly started to suck as a hitter he wouldn't be a complete washout. The man can field. Watching him scoop the ball is a thing of beauty. He's also pretty damn good on grounders and liners. Pay Paulie!!

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:27 AM) AJ better not swing at a single pitch. QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:32 AM) I'm sorry but this is hilarious, Manny just brought in 3 runs without even batting. QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:38 AM) Bobby warming, god bless his arm. QUOTE (Wanne @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:46 AM) If Bobby can't get one out...he's worthless! QUOTE (Real @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:46 AM) Bobby? Are you s***ting me? Here comes the walkoff. QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:49 AM) fat f***... QUOTE (kane0730 @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:49 AM) 1 pitch, 1 hit. What a joke. QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 1, 2010 -> 01:49 AM) Wow, nice hanger to start off the AB by Jenks. There's not a chance in hell Jenks should be in. I don't care if you pitch Pena or Harrell. Just thought I'd list the highlights of the game thread. I just got in and read it now. My favorite: fat f*** after Bobby gave up a hit. That last one wasn't a rip. Fathom was being nice. He was just concerned at Jenks' heavy work load of late.

It kills me how in the message board world, nobody can believe that Ozzie in all his years of baseball is capable of making a right decision on this. You think maybe he's been around the game long enough to make an educated call on whether Manny should play tonight? You think maybe he knows his team and after talking to Manny, just might be capable of making the right decision? Are you guys right about everything and Ozzie wrong about every matter you disagree with him on? Wow.

Now I see where you are coming from. I conveyed the message in a bad sentence. I said or meant I could give a s*** if he plays if we still win. People on here can tell you I always want to win. Those who seem to memorize my posts remember one season I was rooting for victories the last 2 weeks of the season when many wanted us to lose every game so we'd get a better draft pick. That was pretty heated discussion as well. I wanted to win every game even if it meant not getting as high a draft pick.