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I'm surprised more players don't do what Gordon did. Stay put if they are that popular. I don't know if any team offered more, I haven't read enough yet, but four years at 18 million a year will have he and all his immediate relatives set for life a couple times over. I would think quality of life would factor in at some point (I know it doesn't for almost all pros) over a few more million dollars. Not every player needs a new city, a new challenge. This guy just won a WS, which means he can just continue to do his thing. If at some point he starts to suck, the fans will be way more forgiving here than anywhere else. I just think the Paulie discount is a smart thing for a player who has won a WS to do. I'm assuming Gordon coulda got 20 mill a year for five years from somebody. That would be 30 more million dollars total. Yes, a ton of money, but again, what price is quality of life and comfort zone when it's all monopoly money. From a Sox standpoint for some reason I despise Melky more than Avi. I won't be despondent if Avi gets the proverbial final chance.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 4, 2016 -> 09:43 PM) Honestly...maybe I just don't care, but I kind of thought it was a joke at how politics work. Would anyone possibly think a candidate would be so stupid to say that seriously? I mean, come on now. I perceived it as her just making a joke / being sarcastic. I guess twitter needs Green like Soxtalk. Maybe I'm wrong...either way don't really care. She isn't winning the nomination and in the grand scheme of things, this is pretty high up on the scale of overreaction. Good post. Considering how dumb people are in general, it had to be a bad idea to send out a sarcastic tweet of that nature if that's what she did. I mean aside from like you said, writing it in green, it wasn't clear at all that it might be a joke. She should just drop out. She's not going to rally obviously.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 3, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) http://www.salon.com/2016/01/03/the_middle..._workers_drown/ Here's a pretty good reason the GOP still has a shot at the presidency, especially with Kasich as the VP on the ticket. I'd feel better about eight years of Hillary if I felt she had some concrete positive plans to offer. Maybe no president will ever be able to work with Congress again, but I just see Hilly's eight years as a continuation of the stalemate of getting nothing of consequence done. It would be nice if she could reverse the trend and put some money in the pockets of the middle class. There are a lot of people who work hard in this country and still can't afford good living conditions and decent health care. I feel like we should give Trump a shot. We can always vote him out in four years if he blows.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 3, 2016 -> 11:02 PM) https://www.yahoo.com/politics/carly-fiorin...-155518374.html Rose Bowl Gate It would be better if Fiorina was honest and admitted it completely backfired instead of rationalizing. In no way does her Tweet resemble a tongue in cheek joke. I mean if it was a joke you've got to make it clear in a follow up joke that you were kidding. I mean you like to give people the benefit of the doubt, but that did not have "joke" written all over it. She said flat out said she loved her alma mater but she wanted Iowa to win. How is that tongue in cheek?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 05:06 AM) Gary Bedore ‏@GaryBedore 3m3 minutes ago Only way Carly can save face with that tweet is to say one of her campaign workers had her twitter access. Can't root against alma mater. There's no way Fiorina can win with a Tweet like that. None at all.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 12:06 AM) This is among the worst things I've ever seen from a politician not named Donald Trump. Carly Fiorina went went to Stanford. This is offensive to almost everything I care about and respect. I wonder if one of her aides wrote that. Totally unacceptable on so many counts. Nobody can be that dumb, right? To root against your alma mater in a bowl game?? I mean, cmon.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 04:03 AM) Just skimmed this thread. Fun thread. Boy was I wrong thinking stuff would heat up. Moves are taking a long time which is working in our favor. If Nightengale or whoever wrote it is correct in saying we are only offering 3 years, we are not going to sign Upton, Gordon or Cespedes. That's not being negative, that's a fact, right?? In what scenario would any of those guys go for three years?

Three years, 42 million. I guess he's not overpaid. 14 mill a year. That's what average players are getting and he's pretty average production-wise in LF.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 2, 2016 -> 05:22 AM) I will say gordon signs for 4 years 80 mil and cespedes 5 years 120 mil. P.S. that be there contract with any teams. No way the Royals will give Gordon 20 million a year for any time frame. If it's true the Sox will go only 3 years then obviously they won't be signing anybody not named Parra.

QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Dec 31, 2015 -> 10:22 PM) I've read a lot of posts on here during the offseason speak about Melky Cabrera like he had an awful year and they expect a big rebound in '16. Or that we should find a way to get rid of him in the same sense we need to get rid of Laroche. I've kind of been wondering why so many people think his 2015 was so bad, and I'm curious what they expected. Perhaps that line of thought is fueled by the dichotomy of his 1st and 2nd half last year, but I don't think he finished much differently than I expected when we signed him. Perhaps a little worse, but nothing too significant. Stat: 2015/Career Average AVE: .273/.285 OBP: .314/.336 OPS: .709/.748 HR: 12/12 (Rate based career AB/HR with 629 ABs) RBIs: 77/75 (Rate based career AB/RBI with 629 ABs) Obviously this isn't close to his monster, yet suspension shortened 2012 numbers, but we clearly didn't expect to see those 2012 numbers. Are people expecting him to be something more than a 15 HR .280 hitter from a 1 time all star?? As much as this board talks about (obsesses about?) finances, he's grossly overpaid if all he can give is 15 homers and 75 RBIs. I guess 75 RBIs is the new 110. If that's the case I guess he's not a total flop. He's another guy who was blah. I'm not a big fan.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 28, 2015 -> 11:21 PM) LOL Yeah, winter blows in general. Why i continue to put myself through hating winter every year I do not know. Most people finally break and move to San Diego or Arizona or Vegas. It's why Chicagoans are all over those places.

Went bowling for the first time in two years and rolled a 170 with marks all over the place and my ball having the movement it needs for high scores. Choked on some easy spares and missed some easy spares that I feel would come back to me quickly if I bowled more. This begs the question ... is bowling one of the easiest sports to perform well in? The 170 with pocket balls all over the place means if I bowled more, I would quickly average about 160 or better and roll my share of 200 plus games. Is bowling easy is my question??

So is Hoiberg a great coach or not? Haven't watched the Bulls that closely. Is he a genius? Or do Bulls fans have concern? Please fill me in on the verdict on Fred after this many games.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 04:52 PM) Wait I thought cheating on your wife was acceptable by Greg? I better keep my comments on the guy I know cheating in the other thread lest this one turn into something else that could get me banned. I'll keep it in the other thread. I do think it's insane to act like everybody who likes Trump is an idiot. There are a lot of people out there who like Trump for various reasons. And not everybody is willing to just give Hillary eight years in the White House as some sort of lifetime achievement award. That's all.

Signing Gordon to a very lucrative four year deal just doesn't seem KC-like to me. It's not how they operate. That's not been their mo-jo. I can't see KC going more than 15 mill a year no matter the amount of years. And I think 15 mill a year average would truly be high for them. They actually don't need Gordon if Dyson has a great year. I'm hoping KC has a bad year anyway. Their starting pitching doesn't look robust. It's more Royals like to sign Parra or go with Dyson/Orlando and sign a starting pitcher for reasonable dollars.

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 08:41 AM) So you are using the Lewinsky scandle to define his entire run as president? Nothing about turning a $290 billion dollar budget deficit into a $127 billion surplus during his eight year run? Unemployment rates? Serbia? By the way, in every Gallop and Five Thirty Eight poll, he is ranked much higher than your "go-to" Jimmy Carter. And let me get this straight. You have been on a soapbox about Trump and his "brashness" and how he tells it like it is, and that you are sick of every other politician that doesn't believe in what they stand for, and are all crooks. Yet Bill Clinton accomplished more during his time as president that anyone in the last 40 years, yet had an affair in office, which was very brash and "un-presidential", and he is an absolute villain in your eyes? As far as your final paragraph: My Clinton example was brought up in response to people getting on Trump for his "sexism." I was trying to point out Bill got a free pass vs. Trump in that regard. I told you I like Clinton's speeches. I just feel that his wife, Hillary, is very very despicable if that's the right word. Or rude. Or elitist. I don't want her as President. Jimmy Carter IMO is one, almost perfect human being. Check my initial post. The CLinton sex stuff was brought up by me in response to the attacks on Trump for sexism. I feel I correctly pointed out Bill has committed an act that many people woulda been villified for forever. p.s. Has Hulk Hogan been forgiven yet? Other celebs who have "mis-stepped?"

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 05:57 AM) Maybe people remember Clinton more for being one of the best presidents to lead this country the last 40 years? Also, your incredibly odd Pee Wee comparison doesn't hold any water either, as he is currently filming a new Pee Wee movie directed by some small indie director named Judd Apatow. Thanks for the reasonable response. The Pee Wee reference did fall apart (a bit) cause he's finally been reaccepted into society so to speak. But check it out. For many many years he was held in contempt as I stated. I'm glad for Pee Wee that as of late he's been allowed to make a comeback, so yes I probably, certainly should have found a better example. But my heart was in the right place as Pee Wee was held in contempt by everybody for many, many, many years. As far as your first sentence. Really? Bill was THAT good? I'm serious about my assertation. The man had a 22 (I believe she was 22) year old intern come to his office for what some deem improper activity. In my opinion he's been let off the hook WAY too easy on this one whereas for some sick reason Lewinski was mocked. You have to admit that she's been treated pretty harshly by the media and society compared to Bill. And I"m not a Bill Clinton hater. I like his speeches and his sense of humor. I DO NOT like Hillary and I feel Trump is being portrayed unfairly by the media. As far as the troll thing ... believe it or not there ARE Trump supporters out there. People like me are SICK of politics and like his brashness. It's true. There are people out there who are fed up with b.s. being spouted by people like Hillary.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 29, 2015 -> 12:46 AM) the media gave Bill Clinton a pass? Lmao really? That "scandal" died long ago. Sadly it does not define Bill at all a$ he continue$ to speak everywhere and anywhere as a national hero. He's a national hero right now. There's no negative connotation to Bill Clinton's morals at all. The lasting memory of that incident? The mocking of Monica and Linda Tripp. Mocking Monica's dress with the stain. Think of the Clinton-Lewinski scandal and nobody's looking at Bill like a mature man hooking up with an intern. They mock Monica and her fluctuating weight, etc. You tell me Bill Clinton was not given a pass by the media on that one. Cmon. If this was a Republican the person would be treated like Pee Wee Herman was all those years after Pee Wee allegedly got caught in an X rated theatre whacking off. Pee Wee was shunned forever, not on any more talk shows. Ruined. Bill? He remains a hero. Forgive and forget is fine, but try and convince me if a Republican did that, that that person wouldn't have been ruined forever. Bill Clinton is a national hero, case closed on that, and he's about to move back into the White House gloriously.

I didn't know whether to put this in the Republican thread or Democratic thread. But when Democrats attack Trump for "sexism" this author makes a good point -- why has Bill Clinton been given a media pass for his predatory behavior toward a 22-year-old intern? Like Rand Paul said, it's not Hillary's fault, but this thing goes both ways. I truly don't understand the media's intent in going after Trump and never, ever blasting Hilly or Bill on anything. It's truly appalling. I mean like I've said in other threads, what does the media have to gain? It's not like Hillary is going to give them any special access or anything. In fact, if I'm not mistaken, Democratic presidents have been worse dealing with the media in office (regular press conferences) than the Repubs. https://www.yahoo.com/politics/trump-bill-c...-013313803.html

I saw Scrooge with George C. Scott. I'll give him credit. He was a decent Scrooge. Still no Alastair Sim, though. It's amazing all the remakes of A Christmas Carol and the dialog is almost exactly the same in all of them. There's not much you can change unless you are spoofing it. Amazing plot.

Didn't Eaton really stink until we fell out of the race? Not ripping him, I sort of like the guy and his hustle, but I recall really despising him the first couple months at least. Hope he gets off to a sizzling start this year. Is his ceiling a poor man's Pete Rose?? Hustler who is going to learn how to get the key hit/walk at all times? Then on the other side of the spectrum his possible low would be Rowand after Rowand forgot how to hit (or got old, I forget why he suddenly started sucking)?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Dec 26, 2015 -> 02:12 AM) Things can change a lot in just a month. Half of the media still is refusing to believe Trump can win NH, South Carolina or Nevada, assuming Cruz wins Iowa. The closer the reality of him potentially becoming president hits, the harder it will get. Let's face it. None of the Republicans' candidates are worth a damn. Trump is the only one who anybody takes notice of. In this day and age, it's a 1 to 2 sentence soundbite is all that matters. Think of the candidates and what comes to mind from Republicans. Trump - "He's so outspoken. I can't explain it but I like him a lot." Carson - Snore. Florina - Snore. Cruz - Snore. Bush - Triple snore. You get my drift. I think Trump is a lock to get the nomination. A true lock. On the Demos side: I think Saturday Night Live writers and Kate McKinnon deserve some sort of award because unlike all the news channels, they have completely, perfectly satired Hilly. Watch this sketch and look at her eyes. McKinnon has the desperate-to-be-President Hilly perfectly satired. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvSiH1eAF3s

QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Dec 25, 2015 -> 02:52 PM) As the country becomes more and more diversified; sans a huge attitude change, I don't really see Republicans winning the presidency anytime soon. Ted Cruz, Trump, and Rubio are not going to get you minority votes which you desperately need to win elections. Great point. I think you are right. This is a Democratic presidency for a long long time to come. Hillary simply can't lose and it'll be democrats for a long time to come.

Since I'm visiting relatives in Chicago and TV is on a lot, what is your favorite Christmas movie ever? And which ones do you hate? a.) You can't go wrong with Christmas Vacation but it's best with the cuss words not edited out. Chevy was likeable and funny with his facial expressions back in the day. I'd have to think a lot of his stuff was ad libbed. b.) A Christmas Carol (with Alastair Sim): Excellent movie; a little serious for daytime watching. Better late at night when in a reflective mood. Most of the Christmas Carols suck, but this Scrooge is a great actor. c.) Christmas with the Krink's: Bad movie. Not funny for the most part. d.) It's a Wondy Life: Enough said. It's great. Jimmy Stewart is one of the great actors/americans of all time. e.) Miracle on 35th Street: It's OK. The Macy's Santa story is cute. f.) A Christmas Story: Kind of addictive once you start watching. Ralphie is a legend. The relationship between mom and pop is kind of cool in the movie when dad takes them to Chinese dinner. g.) White Christmas: Too dull for me. Bing is a cool name. h.) Scrooged: Never watched it all the way through. I suspect it's funny cause Murray is great. i.) Elf: Will Farrell is the greatest. j.) Best Christmas skit ever: Alec Baldwin as the consultant brought in to intimidate Santa's elves on SNL. k.) Home Alone. The stuff McAuley Culkin does to the thieves is pretty funny.

Supposedly Gordon wants to stay in the Midwest badly. Can't blame him for that. It's all he's known and he's in his 30s now. It would be a shock if the Sox would pay what it takes to get a guy as old as Gordon, however. It doesn't make much sense considering the Sox history of getting older free agents who flop. I'd love his glove no matter what he hit, though. I can't imagine him wanting to play in KC that many times as a member of the Sox, but maybe he doesn't care about suddenly being the enemy.