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I see Hillary sucked up to Obama today. She expressed shock/anger at Donnie for not reprimanding a questioner at a rally. The media decided Trump should have reprimanded a questioner for saying Obama is Muslim. Hey media, why not blast the questioner in the Trump shirt who was obviously a plant? It's not Trump's job to chide some moron for a dumb question. Trump survived it though. I just got done reading Kansas' student newspaper at lunch BTW. Hilarious how students today are so PC. Every article in there was PC-ish, about not offending ugly people, fat people, gay and lesbians, etc. My cousin is a high school teacher in Chicago western suburb and he said after his first quiz grades came out he was flooded with students crying and parents calling him concerning his stringent grades. Everybody deserves an A, baby!!! Kudos to my cousin for dishing out the Ds and Fs where deserved. Kudos to Trump for being non PC.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 11:33 PM) Sabermetrically he is a 2.3 WAR. At $7 million a WAR, which I think is conservative, that is worth $16.1 million. I thought advanced stats had him as one of the five worst pitchers in baseball this year.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 09:07 PM) Disagree. You're saying that because central teams destroy him more is because they see him more then that would mean if other teams in other divisions saw him that many times, then there is a possibility of him getting hit around in another division. Good post. Also, teams in the same division know each other so well, it's tougher on hitters to get hits. Shifts, baby. Baseball will never go back to a true schedule because a.) New York and Boston demand to play each other 19 times and b.) it's cheaper this way traveling to teams so close to home over and over. It's very boring and unsatisfactory the way it is now!

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 11:20 PM) Educate yourself. Check my track record. Greg's opinions 'usually' come true. I'm right way more than wrong. He's gonna get paid despite being a BP pitcher.

QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 07:59 PM) I hated Ozzie. I hated him at the time of the hire, but just because I thought he was an ass, not because of his management ability. He got a grudgingly acceptance from me for a while because of the WS, but even that wears off. When his petulance because too much, and when his kids just wouldn't s*** their pie hole long enough to at least remove the feet they stuck in there earlier, it was just too much. Glad he was gone, glad he isn't coming back. Can you imagine if the Sox hadn't won it all in 2005? We might never have a modern day title on the south side. We arguably have one of the worst franchises in all of sports. And yet this team won it all in 05. Who was the manager of this team? Ozzie Guillen. Thank you Mr. Guillen!

Oh goodie. We get to play Cleveland again. How did baseball owners agree to this asinine unbalanced schedule? The Sox basically compete against four teams: KC, Detroit, Cleveland and Minnie over and over and over. BORING.

It takes a lot of guts to turn down the Sox qualifying number after putting up the stats he did this season. Basically he's probably the worst starter in baseball and this joke of a sport is about to reward him with something like five years, 100 million. LOL. And the team that signs him has to pay the entire 100 million.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 11:00 PM) 40 consecutive years of Democratic presidents? I guess if we have to...we have no choice right? The way it's set up electoral wise, the Democrats pretty much are assured victory in the presidential election. It would take a massive fluke or something like the election where Gore got screwed out of the title. QUOTE (pettie4sox @ Sep 18, 2015 -> 05:34 AM) I can't really picture a scenario where a Republican wins anytime soon. They are a rotten mess as if you look at the debates it's worse than high school. Amen. Hillary's Veep pick will be loving life. Michelle?

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 10:05 PM) the sox fans did not hate ozzie and in fact, if i remember correctly, they were defending him. instead asking for kw to leave and give ozzie the raise. b/c he won the WS. this was all done after the fact. This board backed Kenny fully. There was almost unanimous dislike of Ozzie and wanting him gone. I may have been his only 'vocal' backer on here. Fans on here had tremendous dislike of Ozzeroo. I kept reminding everybody he brought Chicago a title. Like I said they backed Kenny over Oz. I call it 'hate.' Call it whatever u want. QUOTE (WBWSF @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 11:11 PM) Dan McGrath (writer for the Sun Times) has said that Ventura will not come back next year. He said Ventura is not enjoying his job. I hope McGrath is correct. Wow. I do feel sorry for Robin. It's why former players should probably not manage. It usually ends up sad. I love Robin and even like his style sort of. It's just that his teams do not compete and have a lot of problems. Remember this team was picked by many to win the division and it was really truly a lousy team. I feel sorry for Robin. Truly do. But with him at the helm, there's no hope next year.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 11:36 PM) It's been an embarrassing year for the White Sox, and what's troubling is they can't even sell us on hope. Nothing short of a complete dismantling of office personnel, coaches, scouts and players will help this team. There's no, "oh lets make a few shrewd moves and we'll be able to compete. Nope.....it's going to take all the right moves to contend in 2017. If Hahn doesn't start by trading Quintana for a haul we may be screwed even further. I'll go as far as to say it will be the most important trade easily in the last decade for the White Sox. We have to realize how depleted we are offensively, how pitching is our surplus, and how valuable someone such as Q is considering talent and contract. Hahn HAS to succeed, and we shouldn't expect less as fans Sox should never have gotten in position they have to trade Q. If they hadn't won seven of eight on that road trip they "might" have pulled the trigger and traded Shark, Duke, Lexi and Robertson and gotten the haul right there. Now they have to trade Q? I'll tell you one thing if you trade Q you suddenly have a lot of ifs in the starting rotation. I realize Shark was trash, but now you got 2 starters to replace and Montas or EJ as well as our last No. 1 pick, I forget his name, better be OUTSTANDING.

No offense, but it just dawned on me this could easily be our future lineup of Presidents. Next Eight Years (2016-24): Hillary Clinton. Eight Years after that (24-32): Michelle Obama. Eight years after that: (32-40): Chelsea Clinton. Eight Years after that (40-48): Obama's eldest daughter. Why not?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 10:35 PM) Ozzie had no legal right to look elsewhere unless the team let him out of his contract for 2012. To do otherwise was to breach his contract. Which he did. So the Sox tell him they won't add years to his contract. They give their blessing to move on and yet you guys won't get off the "he quit" brigade. You guys want everything I guess. Sox want Ozzie out - Done. Sox get compensation - Done. Sox don't have to pay him a final disastrous season - Done. Yet at the conclusion of all that: "We still hate you Ozzie. You quit on the team." Makes very little sense. You got everything you wanted and STILL hate the guy. Hate him for his mouth. Hate him for his kids. Hate him for his Sunday lineups and no sense of urgency as he became a fixture and complacent, but don't hate him for some phantom quitting.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 10:23 PM) By the Numbers: 10th time this year Sox lost a game when leading in the 7th inning or later (and the first time didn't happen until May 26th) Second time Robertson gave up a three run home run in the 9th inning to lose a game. 7th blown save this year for Robertson. It's simply the White Sox...no matter who they bring in the results are exactly the same. Mark True. Robertson's performance is just as bad as the worst years of Addy Reed and Bobby Jenks and both were despised.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 10:04 PM) Then why have a clause written in for compensation if he left to one particular team... it was almost as if he had already been negotiating with them before he was released from his contract... I think that's semantics. You asked me to find an article as proof and I found one. The meeting did take place. Jerry and KW said no thanks on the extension and gave him the OK to move on. If he quit, so did Jerry and KW. So to you "Ozzie quit so I hate him" people, how do you justify not saying KW and Jerry quit in letting Ozzie go with 5 games to play? Those were mighty important games u know (obvious joke).

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 10:09 PM) Some of it is that he's burned repeatedly by the defense behind him. Some of it is that it could be worse (2014). Some of it is that he's the only free agent we brought in last year who has been actually worth his contract and therefore is the only one we could move for anything. Makes sense, but I would disagree he's been worth his contract. Now that Nate is back we should close by committee (gulp) next year and trade him because of his outrageous contract during winter. A contender will want him IMO.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 09:03 PM) In his defense, he hasn't had regular appearances so he can never develop a routine. But I get what you're saying. He's overpaid for what he is. That is true. Hope we can trade him this winter.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 09:02 PM) He quit because he had already negotiated the job offer with the Marlins. That is why they gave up compensation for him, so we couldn't call it tampering, which it really was. The article states he met with the Sox about extension. Sox said no and gave blessing to get another job. They were doing handstands as they got compensation for KW's enemy.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 09:01 PM) Bad for Q. Good for the Sox. Losses are good. 17 left. What college pitcher we taking with our first pick? Any chance we can move some of these college guys to the bullpen?

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 08:59 PM) Robertson joins the party. Why the hell not. Why does Robertson get a pass this season? He has been rather ordinary at best. I advocated trading him at the break and people laughed at me.

Jose Q with a great great performance. He knows how to pitch!!! Congratulations on another fine season, Mr. Q.

The Sox never compete. They merely show up. Big difference.

Saladino with the weak stuff back to the mound. DP. Failure.

They had a meeting during the season and two sides decided to part? Proof enough for you? So he signed with Marlins. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/25245790/

QUOTE (bmags @ Sep 17, 2015 -> 09:42 PM) I had a big ticket package this year...that's not true. I need to plan a trip to Chicago next September for that long homestand. If we are out of the race, would any Soxtalkers give me freebies? That would be cool. Free tickets; free parking. Sit anywhere you want in empty stadium. Nice.

For some reason this game has felt like a loss all the way through. Now it is a loss. When it was 2-1 I had to remind myself Sox were winning. This Sox team blows. Prospects of next year just as dismal.