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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 01:41 AM) Oh, quiet, you. They're just acknowledging the fact that Scherzer happens to have great stuff, hence his impressive stats this year. Yep, I'm just pointing out he looks unhittable.

This guy has no hitter stuff tonight.

There it is. Hawk mentioning Paulie's health again. He's about 40 percent I bet. I wonder if he's playing with a cracked bone.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 01:33 AM) The Tigers are fine 1-4 in their lineup...it's the 5-9 guys that have not been coming through for them this year like they did last year. With that kind of pitching, it seems stupid of them to not build a team with defense as well to go with sieves Cabrera/Fielder at the corners.

QUOTE (chisoxt @ Sep 13, 2012 -> 01:28 AM) If the Tigers make it into the post season, and I think they will unfortunately, I believe they will go deep into the playoffs. I don't see how anybody beats their starting pitchers. It's the same thing everytime I tune in. Their pitchers are pouring strikes in there and we are doing very little with their pitches. Last night's two solo homers meant nothing. Solo homers don't mean squat.

I wouldn't want to play this Detroit team in the playoffs with this starting rotation. Only thing that could get Detroit beat is its defense.

Not a big fan of running with our power hitter up. How often do we have runners on base lately for our alleged power hitters?

How is Detroit not running away with it with this starting pitching of theirs? They dominate us and all their starters are studs. Leyland should be fired. With that staff along with Cabrera and Fielder how can they not be running away with this?

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 02:55 PM) Apparently I am the only Sox fan who was OK with Youk bunting there last night. I thought it was a good move. Youk has looked pretty terrible in the past few weeks with the bat, and if it is executed properly it takes DET by surprise, you lose the force, and you may even get a hit out of it with Cabrera at 3B. It didn't work. But I really don't get putting in Liriano there. If he's in he bullpen, he needs to be in for long relief in a game not very close, at least at first. That was a bizarre situation for him to be in, I really don't understand it. The problem is Youk can't bunt. He had horrific form and no chance to get one down.

QUOTE (flavum @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 03:14 PM) MLB releases the schedule at noon (ct) today. They're going back to 19 division games, so it could be 10 games at Comerica next year. I seriously hate 76 division games. Especially since the Sox can't seem to beat them. If they don't have players that can beat these teams, then they have to change the players. Good point. KW might be fed up with the fact we can't beat teams in the Central and speed up the "rebuilding." I really thought after 2005 we'd own the division for a while. These teams definitely know how to get our guys out.

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 05:09 AM) Despite the talk about him not being a big game pitcher, I have a lot of respect and gratitude for Peavy pitching so many innings this year. Especially in the first half, he was just a beast. With that said, there are a lot of warning signs that hopefully cause the Sox to not try and bring him back next year or for a multi-year deal. Same goes with Youkilis, but that's for another thread. Peavy won't be back which actually will be a setback for our staff, of course. But he won't be worth the kind of money he'll want. Let's face it. Robin is manager of the year having the Sox two games up in this division with a couple weeks to go. Danks, Floyd hurt and no Buehrle and the Sox are two games up? With this bullpen of inconsistent pitchers? You gotta be bleepin me. And all the other injuries we've had, DeAza, Paulie. Even Dunn's injury of late has been a killer. Robin is manager of the year without a doubt, despite his decisions that all have backfired of late. Youk won't be back either unless somehow we get in the playoffs and he goes nuts and gets us into the WS.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 07:47 AM) Who cares. Had the offense scored 5 runs in the first 6, you would have never, ever, ever, ever said this. This is all true and essentially meaningless. Fister is a good pitcher (there you go fathom) who generally locates well and is a guy you have to be aggressive but smart against. You can't be patient because he'll eat you up if you are, but you can't be overly aggressive either. It's always a matter of getting the best pitch you can hit against him and hitting it. No idea why he used Liriano out of the pen. Liriano has never been good out of the bullpen. He's a guy who sets his own tempo from the start of the game and works the opposition from there. You throw him out of the pen and he no longer pitches based upon his own tempo. -- The Sox aren't doing Robin any favors. All these close games, game after game, and with us losing there are tons of managerial decisions you can always point to. Two nights ago was so refreshing with a starter finally going very deep in a game. We didn't have to see the parade of relievers. Nailed it. That is the worst managerial decision I have seen in 10+ years of watching baseball. Nevermind my already very large bias against the sacrifice bunt, you don't take the bat out of the hands of a guy who has a good eye at the plate, hits fastballs like crazy (the two pitches he's hit best in his career are fastballs and cut-fastballs) which Benoit featured quite a bit tonight, and, forgetting that he has NEVER had a sacrifice bunt (at least a successful one...I'm guessing he's now 0 for 1), the dude is ALWAYS GETTING ON BASE in those situations - even this year. Seriously. RISP? Piss poor .227 average, but a .371 OBP. Men on in general? .271/.379. Late and close? .259/f***ing.423. Within 2 runs? .253/.370. High leverage? May as well include the full splits because it's a glorious .300/.392/.700/1.092 (74 PAs). Hell, I'll even include his .380 OBP in the 8th inning for kicks and giggles. The worst part is that the bunt there accomplishes NOTHING. As much as I like Wise as a player, he is not a guy who is going to instill fear into Benoit, and he obviously didn't since Benoit was not looking to get him to GIDP but instead to get him out so he could go and get Konerko next, and 1 run doesn't do a jack bit of f***ing horses*** for the Sox there. You f***ing let Kevin Youkilis swing away there and if he grounds into a double play, then f***ing guess what, s*** happens. Nevermind the fact that, because he's a good hitter, Kevin Youkilis is twice as likely to hit a go ahead home run in that spot than he is to GIDP (and far likelier than even that to draw a walk, get a hit, or simply make a f***ing out that isn't absolutely given away like Ventura did). Just the stupidest baseball decision I have ever seen in my entire life. I'd rather see Ken Williams sign Darin Erstad 10 times to 1 year contracts for the next 10 years than I would see Ventura do that again. I can see why he bunted, sort of, but I hate seeing players bunt who cannot bunt or do not bunt. I think everybody watching on TV or in the stadium knew we weren't going to score after Youk's pathetic at bat. Even if he gets it down, we have Wise up, and Wise still would have whiffed. That's two outs for Paulie and they either pitch to him or walk him. They probably pitch to him and who knows if Paulie woulda got a single or not? How many times in the past couple seasons have we seen the Sox fail in bunting situations? We can't bunt!!!! Youk might have hit into a DP, but I think everybody, including KW would have liked to see if his BIG acquisition of the season had a big hit in him tonight. Instead, feeble bunt attempts and the whiff.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 03:31 AM) Poor crowd. Peavy choked in a big game yet again. Hitting approach was awful. Everything went 0-2 on us tonight. Bullpen wasn't great either though when you use 100 different pitchers someone is bound to screw up. And Robin Ventura...Oh boy. Can't wait to read through the gamethread's thoughts on him. Great post. Sox fans are getting fed up with these choke jobs against Detroit and KC. No way in hell we win Game Three cause Floyd will go five innings max and we never win games where we pitch a s***load of relievers. Then Verlander so it's another 1-3 series vs. Detroit. Tonight's game was huge. QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 04:20 AM) Just got home from the game. While Robin did have an awful game with the Liriano/Youk decisions, I would like to add that Leyland had just as bad of a game managing, but he was lucky enough to win. 1. He had Dirks bunt, which took the bat out of Cabrera's hands, which set up the Fielder/Veal matchup. I called it from the second Dirks squared up. 2. Why take out Fister after only 99 pitches ofpur e domination? Tigers won, so no one cares, but he had some head scratchers too. This post in no way absolves Robin of the Youkilis bunting call. Awful, awful, awful, no matter how you look at it. Leyland may have had a bad game but doesn't matter when his team has the mojo against Chicago. They beat us almost every single time we play (this year). Fans are getting pissed cause all we play are close games (except the occasional blowout loss) and we've been dropping a ton of close games of late to KC and Detroit and Robin's decisions are showing up as vital.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 04:17 AM) I'm tired of this baseball "book." I had people at the game tonight tell me that it was "baseball 101" to bunt with with Youlk in that situation. This "book" might have flew in the 40's but we all have these numbers to tell us how wrong this god damn fake book is. And that's not even counting the fact that we're having god damn Youk bunt. I haven't had much bad to say about Robin this year but there's no way to defend that bunt, an absolute horrid decision and there's no arguing that. That being said Leyland did the same bulls*** bunting earlier when you knew Miggy was going to get walked. Both managers embarrassed themselves tonight. Amen, brother.Great post. QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 04:48 AM) Not sure why people are complaining about Peavy's performance. 3 runs against this Tigers offense is pretty damn good. His performance tonight doesn't rank in the top 10 list of things to complain about tonight. Not.Enough.Innings. He's got to go deeper in games cause when Robin starts mixing and matching with too many relievers, it doesn't end well normally. We need our starters to do what Detroit's did to us AGAIN tonight.

QUOTE (Jake @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 03:59 AM) That was a bunt situation and Youk isn't going to try to do it unless he thinks he can. YOUK failed, not the manager. I will add that the umpire didn't do us any favors in that AB either. Bunting is very easy to do and I'm sure Youk said he was able to. Unfortunately he tried to bunt a difficult pitch to bunt and then took a strike. That was Youk's fault. He hasn't been hitting that well and we needed to get out of the double play and get two men in scoring position. Not terribly happy with the Liriano decision since it worked so poorly, but I sure didn't expect it to be so bad. I thought his great stuff might work for him in such a short term situation, but it did not. He got a fairly quick hook. We just got beat today, fair and square. Not much our manager could do about it. Fister was lights out and we were lucky to get a couple runs off of him. Peavy pitched well but made the same two mistakes Fister did. It definitely was a bunt situation going by baseball's "book." Go for the tie at home and win on the road. But when the guy can't bunt, usually the book gets ripped apart. Youk can't bunt as evidenced by his never having laid down a sac bunt.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 03:39 AM) The whole problem with this game was bunting with Youkilis. You take the bat out of an aggressive fastball hitter's hands and put him on the defensive when we should have been playing for the lead, not the tie, there. Go for the jugular. With all the struggles with RISP over the last two weeks, I'd rather swing away with 3 at-bats by YOUK, Wise and Konerko than play small ball to try to extend the game, because the Tigers still have the overall bullpen advantage. Hit a homer that inning and the entire series and season shifts back to the White Sox. Now it's "uh-oh," Scherzer and Verlander are coming again, we're doomed, etc. If we want to go to the playoffs this season, we're going to need to prove we belong by winning one of these 2. Otherwise, we'll be 1-10 in our last 11 games played against DET. That's beyond pathetic, that's beyond anything we ever managed to do (negatively) against the Twins even. I absolutely hate these games where Robin has to use 4-5 pitchers. When he starts mixing and matching early it usually spells doom. When our starters don't go deep, we suck. When we fail to hit home runs, we suck. Tonight we blasted 2, but I guess it's against the Sox law to ever hit HRs with men on base. Solo homers don't do a lot of damage. Fact is we still can't beat Detroit and one out of four in this home series will be baby steps, but still ridiculous. I mean, tomorrow is gonna be a five-inning outing by Floyd at best cause of his rust so we're f***ed again. Then Verlander figures to pitch a shutout in a big game and we prolly lose 2-0. We'll still be tied for the lead when Detroit leaves town, though. So it'll be back to the grind hoping others can beat Detroit like they've been doing. Remember it's only the Sox that can't beat this lousy Detroit team.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 03:32 AM) Simple, by playing good baseball. Own smown. Every game is a new game. Thinking anything else is a loser mentality. Loser mentality or realist mentality? My aggressive John Belushi in Animal House mentality has been stripped this season by Sox play vs. KC and Detroit.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 03:30 AM) I have never felt like a manager ruined a baseball game as much as I do tonight. You are like Dr. Jeckyll n Mister Hyde. How can you tell me to go away for negative comments then you hit on that so much the final few innings? You are even more negative than me. QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 03:31 AM) I still want to know where the hell the bunts of been. Fister was pwning the Sox and Cabrera is a piece of s*** third basemen and they still aren't testing him defensively. Its pathetic. Sox refuse to be bad sports. It's sportsmanship, u know? What a joke. Bunt the f***ing ball at him!!!

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 03:30 AM) Sox are taking 3 out of 4. Book it. How in the hell are we going to win 3 out of 4 against a team that owns us?

You got to be a huge optimist to not see what is coming ... a 1-3 series. Tank is really annoying me. Just another Soriano, using a bat that's too big and trying to hit everything out. Twenty homers and 60 ribbies? Blah. Not really productive when you never walk and every at bat you are trying to hit it out. Enough for Tank to keep a job and hopefully with experience he'll improve. But as far as this year? He does deserve to be platooned the rest of the way. Horrible loss. We got the 2-0 lead and Jake sucked. Then the bunt fiasco with Youk. That really deflated me. Hope it didn't deflate the team. I love Robin and he's a big reason we are 2 games up on Detroit, but tonight sucked again and Detroit continues TO OWN the White Sox. We got owned again.

QUOTE (Baron @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 03:04 AM) You got it completely wrong. Im mocking the idiots for wanting him murdered because of a god damn baseball game. For the record I think its stupid. In the end its just a game. Shack is all over me, telling me to go away for being critical/realistic, then a few pages later he gets all critical. WTF is in the air tonight? We'll never know what Youk would have done, but why was Robin asking him to put down the first successful bunt of his career? Robin shoulda had the team go down fighting if we are gonna go down to Detroit again.

Just sad. Youk has no sac bunts all season. I'd have loved to see if he could have gotten the big hit with two on and nobody out. We let Detroit off the hook since we gave them the one out and Wise and Paulie continued the pattern of no clutch hits that are not called home runs. Detroit has won way too many games against the Sox this season cause Detroit is NOT a great team. No f***ing way.

DeAza with the hit. Don't stop now, boys. Got to tie it up here if we wants to win.

Two on base. Time to lift and pull one deep over the fence!

QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 12, 2012 -> 02:50 AM) How do you figure? The addition of Veal has made it easier to use Thornton for a full inning if needed. As much as I'm disappointed in Peavy, this is all on the offense. Viciedo is clearly overmatched against RHP, but how about Konerko turn his season around and start performing like a #4 hitter and not a slappy #9 hitter? At least he gets hits. I think we're going to hear his power was zapped by his undisclosed injury.