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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 03:29 PM) There's also a chance you'd get away with it scot-free, or just a slap on the wrists. It's a crap shoot. Oh. Hey Milk, did you see the quote from the police chief how the police were "very mad" that the lowlife booby trapped his own apartment, ostensibly to kill cops who tried to get in the apartment. As an officer, would you also be pissed at the subject for this? I found that interesting that the cops were really hacked off.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 03:27 PM) Two people who were found "not guilty" Oops I meant to "not" put me away.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 03:26 PM) Depending on what you did to him, attempted murder or aggravated attempted murder. More likely it would just be a simple battery if you didn't really f*** the guy up, and you'd never see jail time. That makes sense, but I still think it's unfair that I'd get charged and convicted of a crime for just beating the crap out of a punk (and holding him for the cops) of a guy who could have killed me. Maybe I'd need a good lawyer and another pussified jury afraid to put anybody away.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 03:24 PM) Yes. The person would definitely be charged, but it would probably get changed to a lesser charge in court. As a civilian who came across this scumbag, you don't have handcuffs or anything to work with. So wouldn't it be assumed you might have to pound the prick into submission to hold him for the police? I don't see why a guy who got shot at in a theatre could get in trouble for inflicting some damage on the person who did this!

QUOTE (G&T @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 02:24 PM) You would be arrested. Self defense requires that the threat be on going when you act. When the guy is standing by the car unarmed there is nothing to defend yourself from. That said, it would be an interesting case. I would argue that if he were at the theater, leaning against the car, the possibility that he is armed and would continue shooting is so high that self defense is still warranted. I agree with your second paragraph. Besides if I just beat the s*** out of the low-life punk like a regular bar fight in which one guy pummels the crap out of another, what is the most I could get? I mean I'm beating the hell out of a guy who just killed 12 people and put my life in danger when I was in the theatre. It'd take an OJ jury or Casey Anthony jury to put me away for beating up such a lowlife punk. Wouldn't police applaud me for beating the piss out of such a coward?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 04:12 PM) Interesting that Buehrle's name didn't come up. How will he be more marketable in the future? Eventually, they're going to have to send some salary relief to move him. Why would they want to move him? They want to win and he is a valuable piece to winning. They want to move some of the bums it appears.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 01:50 PM) You'd be arrested. Why? We are talking attempted murder here. Our society is too soft IMO. This bastard shot at me and my famly and I can't beat the s*** out of him with my fists and/or smash him in the kneecaps with a baseball bat? The coward can't fight a fair fight? He's still a danger in the parking lot.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 11:15 PM) It's also not impossible for one person to have been able to stop it either. Odds are against it, but it could definitely have made a difference. And that person would have been an all-time hero. QUOTE (lostfan @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 05:30 AM) Do you want to be the one who shot him after the assault, when he's docile and cooperating with police? You'd be arrested and charged with homicide. Not me... I'm not throwing my life away for this assclown. I've got better s*** to do. Milk, what would the police's position be if a person who was in the movie theatre dodging bullets raced out of the theatre, saw this f***head leaned against his car unarmed and simply beat the living s*** out of him? Would the police be OK with it, considering that person nearly got killed by the guy in the theatre? Would you be charged with anything if you hit the suspect with a baseball bat or something? If you beat him into oblivion since the coward obviously can't fight a fair fight? Or would the police be upset and arrest you as well for beating the s*** out of the scumbag? You didn't kill the suspect you just gave him a beatdown. What would happen to you?

QUOTE (RZZZA @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 06:31 AM) Good to see the offense come through because Gavin was struggling noticeably. These guys look tired to me, all of them. Plus it was ungodly humid today. It's nice to be home. I hope they all get a massage and a long nights sleep. Why are they tired? I believe you, but that's alarming.

Do you guys think Penn State will now suck in football for 10 years or so? To me it seems the sanctions wlll affect the team more in years three through six than the next two years ... if the juniors and seniors decide to stay. To me the four year bowl ban was the NCAAs way of making sure PSU football sucked.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 01:19 AM) LOL at Floyd. Sure, let's trade Viciedo away. Great idea at this point. Nobody saw this one coming so far. Where's Caesar/mcgrad? I figured out how to ignore Caesar (ignore button) and life is much better since doing so. Is he really mcgrad? Are they the same guy?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 24, 2012 -> 03:08 AM) 11 of our remaining 66 games are against the Twins. Tons against the Royals, too. Glad to see the Sox win again. Paulie baby! I didn't see the game. I need to check mlb for a replay of Paulie's bomb and see how he did it. Maybe he got a cortisone shot or something.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 11:10 PM) Our country's motto is "Don't worry, it's not your fault." I still wonder how these kids who have been coddled do when they enter the workplace. QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 11:14 PM) He get's a fair trial. They have to rule out insanity. If he didn't have a trial and got capital punishment while being insane who's right? Should all insane people be put to death? Colorado has the death penalty. If by chance you give someone the death penalty you want to be 200% sure he was guilty What is this fame that you talk about? Did you just watch Natural Born Killers or 15 Minutes? There is no fame but shame for those who are related. His name will forever be remembered. That's sad. Didn't McVea want death? This guy should want death unless his idea of a good life is to sit in a small cell the rest of his life for 23 hours a day. I guess if he is able to fake insanity well enough to get a jury to believe his little charade he'll have it much better in some mental hospital. Might be easier to escape from a hospital as well. Who is to judge if he's insane anyway? He was caught with the goods. I think everybody is 200 percent sure he's guilty already. Oh well, the taxpayers can pay for another long trial and the attorneys that he hires will all probably represent him for free so they can become famous as well. OJ didn't pay for his own attorneys did he? That was all free labor for him correct? Ditto Casey Anthony.

QUOTE (kev211 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 09:24 PM) Because every single person in the country is innocent until proven guilty. End of story. If you take away someone's right's because they "without a doubt did it" then you remove one of the basic principles this country was founded on and enter into a very scary territory where the government can say you did anything throw you behind bars and you're f***ed without rights or a trial. Basically the reason this guy gets a trial is because this country is awesome and should continue to stay awesome. Yes, but this Holmes guy is a motherf***ing asshole, a scum of the earth piece of s*** coward who needs to go pick on somebody who knows how to use a gun. I mean he was caught squarehanded. I love our country, but I wish somebody in that parking lot had a gun and killed him. He does not deserve to be on this earth one more second. Relatives of that six year old girl have the right to feel as I do. That he deserves death now without any long trial. He did it ... everybody knows he did it. I mean this isn't like Casey Anthony where nobody saw it. This scumbag needs to leave the planet soon. Had somebody taken this guy out with a gun in the parking lot ... that person would be a hero today. The best scenario would have been somebody in the theatre beating the piss out of the coward. That woulda been awesome. This coward can't fight anybody; he can only bring a ton of ammo and shoot little kids. What a guy. He's one of the most evil individuals to ever walk this planet, joining the likes of people I won't mention since it sickens me to think of evildoers throughout history. They don't deserve fame.

QUOTE (northside sawx @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 09:50 PM) Great point, Greg. I take it your a Chicagoan relocated in Lawrence? Yes I played pickup hockey on the park at 111th Street I think it was and I played baseball all the way through at Mt greenwood Little League and Brother Rice til we moved to suburbia. Fortunately not everything was organized by parents in our nice little neighborhood. I wonder if that neighborhood is the same or just like the rest of them now where kids are coddled/protected at all hours of the day/twilight. QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 09:55 PM) Secularism. Also watch !. This is not really an answer or anything but it talks about how culture has changed and what it created. I have seen responses to web blogs where people refer to kids these days as the "spare the rod generation" referring to parents trying to be their kid's friend instead of being a...parent. When I was a kid that last choice in my world for friends would be my parents. What is secularism? I have no idea. QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 09:56 PM) Said that before, people don't realize it. Also, some of the people here talking about how easy it would be to shoot the guy in a dark theater are deluded by Hollywood. Ain't that easy. And go greg775... If the cops got there and the guy is just standing there, and he complies with orders to stand down, they'd be in very deep s*** if they shot him. That's why I was hoping he grabbed for his gun or something so they coulda killed him. QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:05 PM) I'm surprised the shooter didn't kill himself. I wonder if that was the plan and maybe the cops caught him off guard. Or he's just a coward and couldn't pull the trigger on himself. What a punk. I hope he enjoys solitary confinement. Dumbass. QUOTE (kev211 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 10:08 PM) Greg the guys got rights whether you like it or not. You should be happy to know that no matter what happens this guy will never step on the streets a free man again. Whether he gets off on insanity or not. I like that, but I don't see why he has many rights at all. Again, there is NO DOUBT he's the killer. To me that turns him into scum not anybody who has any rights. If there was any doubt, sure. The guy is such a coward I just wish I was allowed to hit him in the face with a baseball bat. Again, he's all loaded with ammo and women and children are his victims? Unarmed people? Scumbag.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 08:43 PM) This isn't an easy thing to live with for most people, including police officers. I just have a lot of hatred for this coward. He enters a movie theatre with enough ammo to blow away a small army and all the people in the theatre including women and children have no ammo of their own. Yes I wish he had been blown to smithereens. He doesn't deserve to live. However, from what I've heard, his days in solitary confinement should be very good punishment as well. I hope this creep realizes he'll be sitting in a tiny cell with no TV and be able to get out of that cell maybe one hour a day the rest of his life. Have fun, coward.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 07:51 PM) Play him in sept than trade him in the off season. Amen. Or just leave him in AAA then trade him. He's old news. Get him out of here. His time has passed. He has a bad back and can't hit. Don't know who will replace him, but got to move on from Morel.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 05:53 PM) I had the badge showing prominently and made sure the gun was invisible as possible. I'm not an idiot haha. QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 05:06 PM) No, but I probably should have clarified that I'm a cop first As a policeman, why do you think the gunman wasn't shot and killed by the cops in the parking lot? Was the guy standing against his car? I'd think any one sign of resistance by the guy or his moving his hands to detonate a bomb or something would have resulted in the guy getting blown away. I wish he'd have been killed on the spot. QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 08:26 PM) Our current culture treats stress as something bad. Kids going into the public education system since the 80's have become coddled compared to those in the 70's. You got yelled at by the teacher for a bad grade and then got it at home. If you got whacked by the teacher you prayed that info didn't get home. If you were bullied you handled it on your own as much as possible. If you lost, you didn't get a trophy. If you were bad at something, you wanted to improve because quitting wasn't always the option. The world is not fair and there is no political system that can be implemented to change that. People tend to snap more because they've been coddled and never had to deal with any stress. I'm amazed at the "coddling" culture you mention. The same parents who were not coddled and even got slugged by a brother at say, Brother Rice, are now the ones coddling their own kids and making sure they play for teams that get trophies for going 0-10 during the season. The same parents who were able to roam the streets of Chicago unsupervised until dark and play baseball or hockey with their friends at the park all day, now have to be supervised entirely lest they get kidnapped or something. I don't understand how a generation that was not coddled has been the biggest culprit in coddling kids the last 30 years or so.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 07:31 AM) This trial will be a show trial, much like the Sandusky one. This is what bothers me about our system. This motherf***er is guilty; everybody knows it; it's not some mystery where in reality there is ANY DOUBT. So we're gonna have a big stage show and his attorneys are gonna get famous in arguing what? Whether he gets off by reason of insanity. Yes he's insane. He's also f***ing GUILTY. I mean what are we gonna do in court? Say this punk didn't do it? No. We're gonna waste months on looking for technicalities to prove he's insane? Pisses me off. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 23, 2012 -> 05:11 PM) Well, it's pretty much assured they're going for the insanity plea based on his first courtroom appearance. So he'll get off? Spend the rest of his days in some hospital or what?

I'd make him a starter pronto.

The Sox are done if ... The starting pitching staff resembles the staff that pitched on that last road trip. Sad thing is if Floyd and Danks were effective and healthy this entire season we might have had a chance to win the division. The Sox have a chance to make the playoffs as wildcard if ... - The team has another nine or 10 game winning streak in it. I never thought the Sox could win that many in a row and they did it earlier this year. It also would help to win eight of every 10 at home the rest of the way because I think our road magic is gone. Team will be lucky to go .500 on road rest of the way after that pathetic road trip.

I can't believe I always get fooled and think we might finish 10 to 20 over .500. I buy in and then comes the inevitable dip back to .500 land. Dumb me. I can't believe how fast that 3.5 game lead turned into a 1.5 game deficit. I was getting excited at 3.5.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 10:21 AM) I'm not going to argue about whether you could kill a few (2-3, by definition) and the case wouldn't become so famous. The fact of the matter is that no death penalty trial ever is over in just one day...because then the defense provided would probably be considered incompetent and the case would likely to be retried or appealed over and over again. That's why there are myriad organizations and a network of lawyers out there who exist to provide pro bono work in these situations, like the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, AL. They specialized in this...a one day trial could never occur. As far as wanting to live in a country with no rights for criminals, move to Thailand, Singapore or China and commit a drug crime. By definition, to commit an act like that, it has to be an act of insanity in a sense, even if planned out with malice and forethought. Greg, as far as your last question goes...about why God permits evil to exist in the world, it's the oldest question in the book. Many will use events like this as their reason for not believing in God. Or perhaps they feel that God doesn't exist so it's not such a harsh penalty to let the victim off easily by silent injecting him with potassium chloride and shutting down his heart. Would you feel there was justice and peace for the families at the end of that standoff had he just shot himself in head? Then, all the victims' families would spend the rest of their lives wondering why he did it. That still might happen. But the majority of the time, executing someone doesn't ever bring peace or closure because you can never bring that family member back. There are many Christians who believe that no matter what a person has done, it's not their place to judge or condemn another human being, that only God can do that. There are many passages in the New Testament...."let he who is without sin cast the first stone, judge not least ye be judged, etc." That question always gets thrown out there..."what would Jesus do?" Would Jesus forgive the shooter or condemn him to death? Well, of course, that's where you have the "eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth" avenging God of the Old Testament. Yet they co-exist, do they not, just as peoples' reactions to these events will always differ. Inevitably, someone will say to those who want him to have a life sentence without the possibility of parole..."if it was your family member who was one of the victims, would you still feel the same way? You wouldn't want revenge? You wouldn't want the satisfaction of watching him die in front of you?" Well, believe it or not there are just as many believers as non-believers who wouldn't feel any better about watching him die. It's kind of like the idea that only through evil or bad things happening can we understand the nature of free will, grace and peace or forgiveness. Without bad things happening, how could we ever learn to appreciate good? Wouldn't life be pretty dull if God created the world and programmed us like robots to carry out his will and never to sin? Would that be pleasing? At least, that's the Christian perspective on it. Nice post. As far as my religious question to you that you answered. Without bad things happening how could we ever learn to appreciate good? That's true and that's fine, but the people God allows bad things to happen to ... why them? I mean the 6 year old is gone. No life to speak of. Taken away. Her mother wanted to be a doctor, boom, she is now paralyzed even if she lives. Now why did God choose those 2 to die and/or have life ruined? It's very troubling to think it's only so we can appreciate good. QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 04:41 PM) Exactly. I went to the movie on Friday night, brought my gun, and sat right by the entrance. Not that I thought anything would happen, but you can't let things like this change the way you live. Wow. You brought a gun and didn't get searched? QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 09:08 PM) I think movie studies understand that this sort of event makes the home theater option much more enticing. Yeah, when I think of the fairly small theatres at these big cinemaplexes, it's scary to think of a gunman in there. I don't know how he didn't kill a lot more people.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 22, 2012 -> 08:59 PM) Didn't know that games ended after 8 innings Can't get my MLB to work.

so this road trip turned out to be 2-1, 1-3 and 0-3 for 3-7? Wow. And we're 1.5 out suddenly? All of a sudden it's crap for the White Sox again.