Yossarian

QUOTE(greg775 @ Sep 14, 2007 -> 02:36 AM) Hope for the future? One draft pick? My gosh, how misguided some are. Free agents ... victories ... foreign signees. The draft? One pick? No way. Give it up. You're not going to change the minds of those that think a number 1 pick in the draft will put the Sox back in the World Series. You're right, but being right rarely matters in sports and in life anymore.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2007 -> 12:30 PM) Then that means we decided that Richar was not the best way to win a world series next year either. And that we'll be darn happy we could sign him again without losing any draft picks. Yes of course that's right, but I'd feel more confident in the folks who run things, if they could make the correct evaluations in the first place. I don't think my profile page gets much traffic, but it could be noted that I listed Richar as my favorite prospect. I have no ax to grind against the young man, and truly wish he'd done better with his opportunity. With this, I respectfully bow out of this thread, and will look for others to perhaps get into more trouble. I still find the whole situation a tad humorous.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Sep 13, 2007 -> 12:25 PM) Iguchi can hit, however having him and Konerko on the right side of the infield makes for one of the poorest from the range standpoint. A lot of balls got through. Gooch is a bit older, and should regress over the next few years. Especially in the fielding standpoint. I would rather get a platoon partner if they want to ease Richar's introduction. I'm already in enough trouble in this thread, but statistically Iguchi is having his best year in the field, since coming to the Sox in 05. No, I don't think he's a gold glover, or the second coming of Bill Mazeroski.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2007 -> 12:23 PM) If our goal was winning the world series this year, yes, you'd be correct. By the time July rolled around, that was no longer a reasonable goal. Then what does it say if, and I know it's an "if", we turn around and sign Iguchi in the off season?

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 13, 2007 -> 11:55 AM) I'm shocked, SHOCKED that there are still people who don't understand that whole situation. It simply amazes me. I understand it quite well, but still disagree. I disagree about a lot of "whole situations" in life. I'm sorry if I found it humorous that it looks like Iguchi just might be a much better bet to have at 2b than Richar.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 13, 2007 -> 11:50 AM) You find me one instance where a sane person called Iguchi and bum and I'll give you 50 bucks. I seem to remember definitely being in the minority and taking my lumps when I suggested that one lousy Class A pitcher was not enough for him. You must also know, if you read my posts, that I'm sometimes a little sarcastic. Too lazy to reach for the green. or teal, or whatever it is. You can save the fifty bucks, but if we ever meet you can pop for a nice Italian beef and my favorite brew.

I thought Iguchi was a bum who needed to be traded, and it didn't matter what we got for him.

QUOTE(HoosierSox @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 04:16 PM) Hes waiting to take Kennys job. He's got a long wait.

QUOTE(WhiteSoxfan1986 @ Sep 12, 2007 -> 12:39 PM) The problem is that minor league pitchers are just babied too much nowadays. Danks only threw 140 innings last year, and we expected him to throw 180. These guys are on too strict of pitch counts. I can see not having a guy throw 200 innings in the minors, but a lot of times teams won't even let the guy throw 90 pitches, it's a joke. Excellent post.

QUOTE(mr_genius @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 07:45 PM) i was thinking the same thing Alex Rodriguez, Chipper Jones, Ken Griffey Jr. and Harold Baines are on that list. So are Steve Chilcott, Ron Blomberg, Danny Goodwin (twice), David Clyde, Shawn Abner, Brien Taylor, Paul Wilson, Kris Benson, Matt Anderson, and Brian Bullington just to name a few. Statistically, there's at least as good a chance of getting a washout as there is a Griffey or a Rodriguez. Additionally, even if there is a can't miss prospect available at No 1 this year, you still need to have a smart organization that is able to find the Mark Buehrles and Mike Piazzas that are available in the later rounds. I don't see the point of gleefully hoping the Sox have the worst record this year just so they can get the first pick in the draft. It won't matter much if they don't draft and develop players better than they have in recent history.

QUOTE(ChiSox35 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 05:07 PM) I think they should have fired him in the middle of the World Series!!!111!one1 Some people need to take a deep breath, and reach deep to pull that copy of Moneyball out of their ass. A WS title in a wire to wire season, followed by a 90 win season? Not good enough. I never read Moneyball, and I don't care much for Billy Beane. I also don't care for the fact that the Sox are 95-126 since July 6 of last year. There was no reason to give this manager any extension at all, let alone one this long. This is vintage Jerry Reinsdorf digging in his heels.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 04:12 PM) Franchise threatening deal. Yes it is. This move is incomprehensible and fraught with danger. Reinsdorf can be a stubborn, vindictive man.

Is this worth having the worst record in baseball? Number 1 picks

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 01:33 PM) I hope Floyd can continue this good streak. We all do.

The Sox are 95-126 since 7-6-06. That's a stunning .430 winning percentage, or about 69.6 wins over the course of a season. They are 37-63 since May 27, which is a .370 winning percentage, and translates to slightly less than 60 wins in a season. That means a 100+ loss season. How about 9-26 in their last 35 games. Anyone see a trend here? This is a bad team getting worse. Posters such as yours truly may even be a tad optimistic, while being called to task for not having a sunny enough outlook.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 11:46 AM) I was just saying you can't know for sure we'd suck - as another poster suggested. If that's me you're talking about, I don't know much of anything for sure. I for sure didn't know this was going to be a train wreck of a season. I expected 87 or so wins. Bases on what I've seen this year, being optimistic about what KW can do in the off season, I'd say even .500 ball in 08 would be a stretch. That's what my brain, such as it is tells me. I'm guaranteeing nothing. Baseball is always full of surprises.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 11:03 AM) Others, apparently, would rather make a judgement once about a player early in their development, and insist on the idea that no player ever changes or improves. Of course some players take a little (or maybe even a lot) longer to develop. Still, you can't ignore the results to date. Based on that, there's no reason to get overly excited about any 2007 Sox rookie. KW really has his work cut out for him this off season. Even if he's at the top of his game, we're probably looking at several seasons more of bad baseball on the south side.

QUOTE(Jenks Heat @ Sep 11, 2007 -> 08:06 AM) I put Floyd and Danks in the same category. I am not exactly sold on Danks or Floyd neither has electric stuff but if they throw strikes and learn how to work hitters they could be 3/4 guys. The begining of their careers mirror that of Jon Garland who is a 3/4 guy. I find it amazing how people will give up so easily on 24 year pitchers. I could see if there were health issues but he appears to be a guy that can give you innings. It's not necessarily giving up, just understandable skepticism. Most "prospects" be they pitchers or position players don't pan out. Baseball is a very hard and unforgiving game. Danks and especially Floyd have had extended periods of shall we say "underperforming". Pitching is at a premium in this steroid "chicks dig the long ball" era of baseball.

I've been one of Floyd's biggest detractors from the get go. It does seem like he's made some adjustments to that unbalanced motion and release point of his. In 05 Cooper was a genius, in 07 he'd morphed into a dunce like Walker. Maybe he can start being that pitching guru genius again. Danks had some decent outings earlier in the year, and now Floyd is showing some at the end of the year. I liked Danks a lot more than Floyd, but right now I'm just hoping that one of them can become a dependable starter. Both still have a long way to go in my estimation.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 06:55 PM) That is, of course, one way to look at it. The other is, maybe he might know a little bit more about what's going on than any of us. I know his bank account is a lot fatter than mine. Nevertheless, I never bow down to the so called experts, just because they're so called experts. Successful people with big fat bank accounts make big fat mistakes all the time. So do politicians, military leaders, etc. etc.

QUOTE(29andPoplar @ Sep 9, 2007 -> 03:32 PM) Interesting comment by Reinsdorf in this article. http://whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?y...sp&c_id=cws Depressing. Reinsdorf is as stubborn as always.

I've been a Sox fan just say a long time and leave it at that. In that time the best managing I've seen IMHO is Al Lopez 1963-65, Chuck Tanner in 1972, Jeff Torborg in 1990, and Ozzie just two years ago. I view Ozzie as a manager with great strengths and equally great weaknesses. He needs a team with players of the ability and temperament to execute his pitching, speed, defense philosophy. If he's able to set the tone, and his players will allow him to manage on cruise control, everything is fine. If he has guys that can't bunt, hit and run, hit behind the runner, or do all those other important little things, his volatile temperament gets the best of him. He's never been good at handling his pitchers in games. He leaves them in when he should take them out, and vice versa. He can be rigid and inflexible when it comes to going by that awful "book". He's not the only manager that makes that mistake. Today's managers I think are terrified of going against the "book", and then maybe losing a game because they let that left handed pitcher face that right handed hitter. It's a stupid and short sighted philosophy. Old time managers like Casey Stengel and Leo Durocher weren't afraid to trust hunches and instincts and live with the results be they good or bad in an individual game. They looked at the bigger picture. Lastly, Ozzie like everyone else, players and management had a bad year. He made some jaw droppingly bad decisions this year. This team threw him off his game. Ozzie made requests after his initial year and KW delivered. It needs to happen again, but I doubt it will. To me, everything I've posted here is a fact, but of course they are all my opinions.

QUOTE(TLAK @ Sep 7, 2007 -> 05:31 AM) What makes this season look 'good' is a number of horrible, embarrasing beatings. The Sox have lost games by 16 and 13 runs, and two each at 12 and 10. On the other side they have won only one game by as much as 8. So the RA column is higher than normal for a baseball team with a similar record scoring a similar amount of runs. Its just a little statistical blip. This season it's more a measure of a poor middle relief corps than a good manager. I like a lot of the stats that the Bill James crowd brought to the game, but this isn't one of them. Pythagorean wins (I'm not even going to look it up to see if I spelled it right) is a less than useless tool to evaluate a team, a manager, or anything else for that matter.

QUOTE(NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 5, 2007 -> 12:49 PM) Can we please get back on track with the firings? Enough with the snide comments already. I'd really rather not have to delete a bunch of posts. FIRE OZZIE!!! FIRE KW!!!!!!! FIRE JERRY!!!!!!!!!!!! FIRE ROGER BOSSARD!!!!!! I tried. Yeah, I know it was a little weak.

So everybody, do you think the Sox can win another one in Detroit tonight?